ok thanks.
On 09/06/2021 17:16, Colin Ian King wrote:
> I've uploaded 2.4.6 to debian and this will sync this into Ubuntu Impish
> development in the next 24-36 hours. Once that's done I'll backport this
> fix to older releases of thermald. Thanks for fixing this.
>
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first off don't take my word that fan control doesn't work i'm slightly
out of my depth! if fan control doesn't work is 84c the actual temp or
an ideal temp? also have attached log debug output for latest master. ta
On 08/06/2021 02:08, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
> I wish fan control worked.
> I
yes desktop/tower pc with ubuntu 20.04 lts desktop
cooling_device0-4 (out of 21) type = fan
all five cur_state were set at 0 changed them to various values between
0-1 made no difference to fans
On 07/06/2021 20:36, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
> Thanks for the comment.
> I would like to know so
longer run. thanks for your help. without people like you we'd all be
using Windows!
On 07/06/2021 03:23, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
> Please try this version
> https://github.com/intel/thermal_daemon/tree/ubuntu-bug-1930422
>
> checkout branch ubuntu-bug-1930422.
> Then repeat comments at #11
>
wow it's running like a fridge! cheers.
On 07/06/2021 03:23, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
> Please try this version
> https://github.com/intel/thermal_daemon/tree/ubuntu-bug-1930422
>
> checkout branch ubuntu-bug-1930422.
> Then repeat comments at #11
>
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ok will do, just for reference this is a screenshot running thermald
from ubuntu-20.04.2.0-desktop-amd64
doing prime number search with cpus and gpu runing at 84c 1802rpm will
send another when i install https://github.com/intel/thermal_daemon again.
On 06/06/2021 19:14, Srinivas Pandruvada wro
try this.
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spoke too soon. if i run cpus and gpu hard termp goes 94-100c fan
2800-3000 makes no fifference if i fresh boot or restart thermald while
under stress; please see attached. hope this helps.
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that seems to have fixed it. temp steady at ~90c fan 2200rpm. ta. please
see attached.
On 03/06/2021 16:01, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
> Both logs looks same. I don't see any throttling.
> This is a backported version of thermald in Ubuntu.
> Can you run with upstream version of thermald
> https:
exactly what happened to me, kept reinstalling 20.04.2 then decided to
update apps in batches leaving thermald to last as it seemed must likely
candidate. then i discovered Timeshift (old image restorer) save a lot
of time!
On 06/06/2021 01:20, Junjie Jin wrote:
> I encountered the similar issu
yeah ok, soz i was half asleep when i replied.
On 03/06/2021 16:01, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
> Both logs looks same. I don't see any throttling.
> This is a backported version of thermald in Ubuntu.
> Can you run with upstream version of thermald
> https://github.com/intel/thermal_daemon
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On 02/06/2021 14:38, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
> Edit /usr/lib/systemd/system/thermald.service to add option --loglevel=info.
> Basically
> /usr/sbin/thermald --systemd --dbus-enable --adaptive
> changes to
> /usr/sbin/thermald --systemd --dbus-enable --adaptive --loglevel=info
>
>
cheers for getting back. please see attached. it wasn't under stress?
On 02/06/2021 14:38, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
> Edit /usr/lib/systemd/system/thermald.service to add option --loglevel=info.
> Basically
> /usr/sbin/thermald --systemd --dbus-enable --adaptive
> changes to
> /usr/sbin/thermal
Public bug reported:
cpu runs at 100c fan at 3000rpm when in heavy use previous version was ok
re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thermald/+bug/1913186
lshw -short is:
H/W path Device Class Description
Hi Raúl, I'm not an Ubuntu developer so I'm not replying on behalf of
Ubuntu, just myself. If you would like to see this package updated in
Ubuntu, the best way to do that is to report it to Debian so that a new
maintainer can be found. As Python 2 is going away, the package will be
Python 3 only i
Hi Raúl, I packaged python-ebooklib originally. I no longer use this
package personally, but if you would like to see a new version please
forward this bug to Debian and I will help get it updated there.
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Hi, in my opinion this bug should not have been marked as 'Fix
Released'. The Ubuntu package of zend has fallen three years behind
Debian's version and has not had a bugfix upload in more than a year.
The version in Ubuntu vivid is 1.11.11 which was released by upstream in
September 2011.
Debian
Hi, the line:
Require all granted
would usually be indented like the line above it. Also you would need to
reload the Apache configuration:
sudo apache2 reload
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I guess so, it wasn't really a bug in the first place.
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Title:
Packages for Boost.Asio and Boost.System missing
To manage notifications about thi
This is incredibly annoying! It happens for me on my laptop (intel
sandybridge graphics) but not on my desktop (nvidia with proprietary
driver)
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Tit
Same problem on ASUS k53sv
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Can't configure Elan tech touchpad on Dell Inspiron 11z, Asus K7I0C
and maybe also Dell Mini 10 (not V), Asus
Ever since I disabled the new scrollbars this has not been an issue for
me!
sudo apt-get remove overlay-scrollbar liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0
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package update-manager 1:0.87.30 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage:
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am now not sure what state our half updated system is in!!!
ProblemType: Package
Architecture: i386
Date: Fri Dec 10 12:09:52 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 8.04
ErrorMessage: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): installArchives()
fai
Hi Ironstorm, Intrepid packages are no longer available from
http://packages.ubuntu.com/ but have not yet been made available on http
://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
The PPA archive
https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/+index?start=300&batch=75
contains a package for portaudio19 but
I also saw this on Lucid, it's the same when running jackd non-real-
time:
dan...@office:~$ livemix -v
LiveMix starting
"Warning: no locale found: :i18n/livemix_en_GB"
Warning: error loading locale
" arg 1: -v"
MainWindow::MainWindow( "/usr/bin/../share/livemix/sample/default.lm" ,
QObject(0x
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When using pbuilder with cowbuilder, it's necessary for cowdancer to be
downloaded during the step:
sudo cowbuilder --create
Because cowdancer is in universe, this means adding an extra component
to your /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc file. The manpa
Sorry for double post. I'm using version (2.30.0.1-0ubuntu3)
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Still the case in final Karmic.
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There appears to be a problem with support for libtool being stripped in
recent libjack-dev packages from Debian/Ubuntu (after 0.116):
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kit/jack-audio-connection-
kit_0.118+svn3796-2/changelog#versionversion0.116.1-3
If you i
Just a quick update - I noticed (on ubuntu at least) that OOo is now
fixed. They have set it up so that the menubar text - is displayed using
the colour indicated for the menubar rather than for the popup menu
items. It would be great if FF could also fix this. Hopefully the patch
Stephen referred
Confirmed bug, but the work-around fixed it for me - thanks! Could it be
a bug that the printer admin tool doesn't set a default device, even
when there is only one printer?
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I duplicated this today, encoding an MPEG-4 file with x264 resulted in a
warning from MPlayer:
warning: first frame is no keyframe
This was after carefully using the key frame seek buttons in avidemux to
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colour information.
Definitely a regression, I'm seeing the problem here, and gFTP has
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Hi Aaron,
That change to EAN13.py fixes this bug for me, I can now make a barcode
with all 13 digits - thanks! Now all I have to do is get out a
magnifying glass and see if I can decode it :-)
This might seem like an edge case, but this EAN-13 support really is a
killer feature for designing book
I reported the following to the inkscape-devel list:
I think I found the cause, a bug in the plugin. If you select Barcode
Type as EAN13 and enter 13 digits into the Barcode Data field, which is
correct according to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Article_Number
you get the error as shown
Confirmed in Inkscape 0.4.6, Hardy LTS package. Has this been reported
upstream?
Cheers!
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Just confirming here that my n95 *can* send files to my Jaunty install.
Just enabled bluetooth receiving via the gnome-user-share dialog. Very
impressed with Jaunty!
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I confirm hofsmo's report above, the sid package launches without the
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This bug is related to #251234 but is not an exact duplicate. This
particular bug #188529 can now be closed because in Intrepid and later,
when starting KToon the wizard does have working values pre-filled in
@Julius (and everyone who thinks this problem is in New Wave):
Isn't it obvious that the problem is that firefox (and OOo) treat the
menubar items as menu items?
The problem is when the menubar has a light background and the menu has
a dark background or vice versa. In this case, firefox and OOo
Still present in Intrepid.
** Changed in: ktoon (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Confirmed
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*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 280484 ***
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I would really like to follow the bug that this one is a duplicate of
too. Is it possible for those of us with interest to be given
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slashdot ;)
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When visiting http://blog.oup.com/2009/03/science-fiction/ in firefox my
gnome-panel crashes. It does not crash until I switch to the tab which
makes me think that it may be related to the page title being displa
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Hi, on starting the Hardy package of mx44 the GUI appears but I get no
sound output. In the terminal I see:
Jack_client_new: deprecated
Cannot connect to server socket error = No such file or directory
I am running Jack 1.8 (Jack 2 prerelease) so I
@newuser:
Hmm.. odd. I can send from my pc to my phone as well. I can also browse my
phone and copy files from/to using that method.
Just so you know, all I need to do to send a file to my phone is right
click on a file and click sendto. Then I select bluetooth and select my
phone as the recipien
Hi Max, yeah I'm using Baptiste Mille-Mathias' PPA:
https://launchpad.net/~bmillemathias/+archive
Make sure you install gnome-user-share as well. Make sure you delete the
pairing from both the phone and the pc and start again. I've had a lot
of success using the packages from that repo with an n
1.35 is in intrepid:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libboost1.35-dev
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I think the problem is that the bug is classed as 'Low' priority. I am
using packages from someone's ppa that are working perfectly.
So far it appears that this bug isn't being fixed because of really
stupid reasons, ie: at the very beginning it wasn't being fixed because
that would require an upg
I'm happy to report that this issue is no longer present in Ibex...
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I hate to think I 'know best' - but the upstream author is wrong. When
I'm browsing photos on my phone that I've taken and I want to send a
particular picture to the computer, the easiest way to do this is click
the little envelope and 'send to' 'silver-0'. Searching through a nasty
folder structur
I can't agree more. I was very happy to recommend ubuntu for laptops as
stuff just worked. Now it seems that laptops are getting less and less
support under ubuntu. Bluetooth needs to be supported out of the box, a
universe package is not intuitive at all. The only way to find out what
you are supp
Ok excellent, that works fine with your package. I can finally receive
after about a year of broken obex!
I downgraded to the current package from the main repo, rebooted, and
was unable to receive files. Upgrading to your package again!
So: I can confirm that receiving files doesn't work with th
I just upgraded to Intrepid. Tried to receive via bluetooth, and it
didn't work. Note that I was able to receive via bluetooth (obex send
from phone) in Hardy. I then upgraded to your package and still couldn't
receive :-/
Using Nokia N95
Note: I cannot find the 'allow devices to send to this com
This is still happening for me in Hardy. This really should probably be
marked 'high' priority - similar to
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdparm/+bug/156893
This can lead to hdd damage and poor performance on laptops. Hdd damage
because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi
Can we *please* get this backported? I've been checking bugs in ubuntu
8.04 against fedora 9 and this one (unfortunately this is typical) is
fixed in fedora.
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There is a new 0.3.3 stable update.
The new version is a bug fix only release.
** Affects: obex-data-server (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
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Can the importance of this bug be updated? I assume it happens on a lot
of machines, it is *almost* enough of a pain to move me to a different
email client..
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Oh excellent! this is exactly what we need. Can we get this patch added
to the deb and can we start testing the new deb?
The patch only changes two lines of code, all it does is change the
rsp_count variable to unsigned
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It may introduce other bugs if a later version of the software is
installed, however, the details of why this bug occurs are included
below - a direct quote from the maintainer. The diff for version 1.23 of
request.c should be easily applied to the version that we have in our
package - this package
For the people who just commented on this bug - This bug has been fixed
upstream for over a month. The problem is we don't have an updated
package in the repos.
There are quite a few bugs at the moment that are fixed upstream but not
in the repos. I assume it is because the packagers are just too
Come on guys... When will we get a version in current that works? This
is just bad...
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Asio and system were released in Boost 1.35 - Ubuntu only includes boost
1.34.1 so they're not present.
libasio-dev is the version of asio released independently of boost. It
is header only so no libraries are required.
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According to upstream, this is fixed in svn... are we able to get a
patched sendto?
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Agreed, this does seem to be a bug in nautilus-sendto - If I run:
evolution 'mailto:"Gehl, Bernhard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'
evolution composer opens with the correct name in the 'to' field. If I
select a file, hit send to, select evolution, start selecting an address
from my address book, and then
I've noticed that canvas is extremely slow under ff3 - but only when
using nvidia drivers. I also have a cheap onboard intel video card in
one of my pcs and it renders canvas extremely fast with ff3. There seems
to be an incompatibility between firefox 3 and nvidia drivers - I'm
assuming this is be
Happens with hardy final here as well.
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I've just looked at the image I've uploaded and realised that the second
viewport is drawn incorrectly also - the 'transparent' region is off by
one pixel to the left. Fun!
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I've also tried with 2, 4, and 5 viewports and it renders correctly.
The problem with the way it draws is that the third viewport's
'transparent' blo
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I'm having this issue as well.. tomboy leaves the sync folder mounted. I
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This is still an issue in hardy release. Perhaps the name should have
quotes added around it. At the moment evolution treats the comma as a
separator between email addresses and so will try to send two emails:
one to 'Lastname' and one to 'Firstname <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'.
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I think this is related - sometimes If you open the popup and just leave
the popup open for a minute or so it will resize by itself.
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Me too...
A work around is to install the Gutsy libjasper and libmagic9:
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/j/jasper/
>From there I installed libjasper-1.701-1_1.701.0-2_i386.deb
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/imagemagick/
>From there I installed libmagick9_6.2.4.5-0.6_i386
This happens to me as well. I am running on a Dell Inspiron 6400 laptop.
Sound card is:
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High
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Sorry, I should also mention - this is from a clean install of ubuntu
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Same problem here:
* Clean install of ubuntu 8.04
* Removed pairing from my phone - all nice and clean
* Added the pairing successfully
* I can connect to the phone from nautilus and browse/dl/etc
* I can sync my evolution contacts, etc with my phone using opensync/msynctool
* I CANNOT send using
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 112803 ***
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I have the same problem here... though, I don't have my disk fill up, I
just have jobs sit there and wait until I run sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys
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Woohoo.. you tha man!
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Please package this for ubuntu. It would be so handy not to have to
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I'm running with one static eth0. This interface is not being
reconfigured by network-manager. My internet connectivity doesn't seem
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This problem has returned with the last update for me as well. However,
for some reason - Evolution/etc is not being marked as 'offline'. I have
the same issue as Matthew East: 'No network devices have been found'.
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php4 has been removed from feisty, however, web developers still develop
for php4.
The majority of hosting services only support php4. Not having access to
php4 makes feisty less useful as a web development environment.
Please reconsider and possibly add back to the repos.
I understand this isn't fixed for everyone yet, but I just had to
comment and say how happy I am that this finally works properly for me.
I was a little worried that feisty was going to be released without this
fixed, good to see some action..
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Sorry guys... after today's apt-get the problem has vanished.
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Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: gnome-terminal
gnome-terminal will segfault if you start it with a --geometry string
that includes a width and height. Position does not affect it.
To reproduce:
gnome-terminal --geometry=80x25
This is version 2.17.92 from feisty.
** Affects: gnome-te
@Onkar,
Disabling network manager in your gnome session will not work as that is
just the 'notification area' for the network-manager service. To disable
network-manager, either uninstall it (which will break ubuntu-desktop
package) or do this:
Stop network manager
sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26Net
Public bug reported:
This is in Feisty..
NetworkManager will only work with auto dhcp interfaces. This is a
problem when using the default install of feisty. I have a static wired
interface, however - NetworkManager tells me I am not connected (and
that it cannot find any devices). The problem wi
I can't find the new version in edgy-backports. The versions I see are
dosemu 1.2.2-5ubuntu1 and
dosemu-freedos b8p-4
That's the same as with backports disabled.
???
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dosemu won't start, ERROR: coopthreads: lowmem heap + stack are too big
https://launchpad.net/bugs/53384
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Unfortunately, yes. Thanks for asking.
I have tried edgy on that machine and it's the same (well, actually
worse): The icon disappears AND it doesn't play the DVDs.
I have to admit it's a fairly old computer (1999 or 2000) that I'm going
to replace with a newer one soon. As it seems I'm the only
Thanks for the info Hubert.
I just updated my udev rules and removed the rule specific to my camera.
Then I added the INTERFACE rule was mentioned by Marcus. I restarted
udev and plugged in my camera, this was the result:
An error occurred in the io-library ('Could not claim the USB device'):
Cou
Just for reference, I have a Kodak P850. This is how it identifies
itself:
Bus 003 Device 003: ID 040a:0592 Kodak Co.
I also needed to add rules to my udev rules.d. Note that I am running
Edgy, this really need to be there by default.. Perhaps there should be
a rule that just has the vendor id...
Just for reference, I have a Kodak P850. This is how it identifies
itself:
Bus 003 Device 003: ID 040a:0592 Kodak Co.
I also needed to add rules to my udev rules.d. Note that I am running
Edgy, this really need to be there by default.. Perhaps there should be
a rule that just has the vendor id...
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