Re: [Bug 174283] Re: rm does not preserve root by default

2009-04-20 Thread Andrew Hohenstein
> Respectfully, I think your argument in this paragraph is a logical fallacy, > along the lines of a Slippery Slope argument. There is no slippery slope, no string of events, just one event causing another, a precedent set. > Just because the rm command by default prevents the deletion of > / doe

[Bug 174283] Re: rm does not preserve root by default

2009-04-14 Thread Andrew Hohenstein
I found another bug in Ubuntu... It actually allows you to install the system to a hard disk! This means that not only does it leave the system open to 'sudo rm -fr /' commands being run accidentally, but anyone passing by with an active electro-magnet could corrupt the entire system. Other distros

[Bug 174283] Re: rm does not preserve root by default

2009-04-13 Thread Andrew Hohenstein
I'm not trying to preserve the 'philosophy of *nix,' I'm trying to preserve the functionality of the rm -fr command. I mention the 'philosophy' only to point out it's wisdom. My point is that setting a precedent of implementing security features that are already proven ineffective is destructive t

Re: [Bug 174283] Re: rm does not preserve root by default

2009-04-13 Thread Andrew Hohenstein
I'm not trying to preserve the 'philosophy of *nix,' I'm trying to preserve the functionality of the rm -fr command. I mention the 'philosophy' only to point out it's wisdom. My point is that setting a precedent of implementing security features that are already proven ineffective is destructive t

[Bug 174283] Re: rm does not preserve root by default

2009-04-08 Thread Andrew Hohenstein
"These users are probably moving over from Windows anyway, and already have that deep-seeded hatred of warning dialog boxes, so even just this one probably isn't going to help them." Not only that, it could potentially deter users, sending them back to use Windows, thinking "Hey, this is just as a

[Bug 174283] Re: rm does not preserve root by default

2009-04-08 Thread Andrew Hohenstein
The point is that the intended effect of this change won't happen, as the method is already proven ineffective, and there are literally thousands of other possible command sequences that can hose a system in the same way, and having confirmation for them all just makes easy, uncomplicated, and effi

[Bug 174283] Re: rm does not preserve root by default

2009-04-08 Thread Andrew Hohenstein
"no reasonable purpose," Not even in a chrooted environment? You seriously can't think of any reason to want this command? "This is contrary to the philosophy of Ubuntu." Ubuntu is better than Windows partially due to it's superior security features. Clicking a dialog box to confirm something do

[Bug 174283] Re: rm does not preserve root by default

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Hohenstein
Someone uninformed enough to paste "rm -fr /" into a terminal because someone on a forum told them to is also uninformed enough to paste "rm -fr --no-preserve-root /" or "cd ~/; sudo rm -fr ../../*" or "rm -fr /lib" or "rm -fr /usr" or blindly type yes/click OK on the manditory warning dialog, whic

[Bug 174283] Re: rm does not preserve root by default

2009-04-06 Thread Andrew Hohenstein
Also, this directly conflicts with the functionality of the '-f' switch, without which there ALREADY IS CONFIRMATION OF EVERY DELETION. -- rm does not preserve root by default https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/174283 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which