On 12/8/2013 1:59 AM, Shankar Donepudi wrote:
Hi All,
I am working as test engineer in Networking in storage domain. We have
decided to automate our testing and have chosen python for the same.
We have basic knowledge on python so can anyone suggest good tutorials
for writing automation scrip
On 1/24/2014 4:47 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Hi Tobias, and welcome.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 07:34:18PM -0700, Tobias Quezada wrote:
hello community,i am a newbie to python and program in general.
the script below works in python 2.7.3 on windows but not in the python 2.7.3
ubuntu terminal.
On 1/24/2014 10:28 PM, bob gailer wrote:
Sorry for misspelling parens.
My reason for requesting the various names is that it makes
communication clear, explicit and terse.
When someone says just "brackets" what does he actually mean?
For more grins see
http://www.codinghorror.com
On 1/28/2014 9:12 PM, scurvy scott wrote:
Hi guys, I'm trying to figure out why my code won't output to
terminal, but will run just fine in interpreter.
I'm using python 2.7.3 on Debian Linux/Crunchbang.
Here is my code.
import requests
from bs4 import BeautifulSoup as beautiful
import sys
de
On 1/29/2014 8:59 PM, scurvy scott wrote:
Please always reply to the tutor list so we can all play with your question.
On 1/28/2014 9:12 PM, scurvy scott wrote:
Hi guys, I'm trying to figure out why my code won't output to
terminal, but will run just fine in interpreter.
I'm using
m
names into a list.
So far, so good but my output contains duplicates, so my final task is
to work out how to get rid of them.
You may find me popping up here again in a few days ;-)
Good luck.
Bob
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On 12/02/14 00:58, Dave Angel wrote:
> Bob Williams Wrote in message:
>
>
>> to slice those lines to get the artist and album names into a
>> list.
>>
>> So far, so good but my output contains duplicates, so my fi
On 2/22/2014 7:26 AM, piyush joshi wrote:
Can anyone help me out in understanding this code
Your question is kinda vague. Exactly what do you not understand?
#
import os
rotationMatrix1 = [7, 1, 5, 3, 0, 6, 2, 5, 2, 3, 0, 6, 1, 7, 6, 1, 5,
2, 7, 1, 0, 3, 7, 6, 1, 0, 5, 2, 1, 5, 7, 3, 2, 0
print 'Creating link %s -> %s' % (linkName2, pathList[j])
os.symlink(pathList[j], linkName2)
fails with this error:
Creating link /pollux/music/portable/testing/artists/Death in
June/1995 Rose Clouds Of Holocaust/10 Lifebooks.mp3 ->
/home/bob/music/artists/Death
>
Peter,
Many thanks. I was fixating on the existing_file, not realising I had
to create a home for the symlink first.
> try: os.makedirs(os.path.dirname(symlink_to_create)) except OSError
> as err: # Assume the directory exists. # A thorough coder would
> check the errno here pass
Rega
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On 24/02/14 16:56, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 24/02/2014 16:36, Peter Otten wrote:
>> Bob Williams wrote:
>>
[...]
>>> Thanks,
>>
>> os.symlink(existing_file, symlink_to_create)
>>
>> fails with that e
05:31, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
[...]
>
> The other things are just script remarks, not directly related to
> your problem:
>
> On 24Feb2014 16:07, Bob Williams
> wrote:
>> if pathList[j][-3:] == "mp3":
>
> This is often written (I'
c
In [2]: metadata = mutagen.flac.Open("/home/bob/music/artists/The
Incredible String Band/1967 The 5000 Spirits Or The Layers Of The
Onion/08 The Hedgehog's Song.flac")
In [3]: print metadata["artist"]
[u'The Incredible String Band']
I now want to pass that
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> Bob Williams writes:
>
>> In [3]: print metadata["artist"] [u'The Incredible String Band']
>>
>> I now want to pass that string to another program, but I want to
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On 26/02/14 15:41, Bob Williams wrote:
On 26/02/14 05:31, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>> linkName1 = pathList[j][0:-3] + "mp3"
>>>
>>> Isn't this exactly the same as pathList[j] ?
>>>
> Actually
On 3/9/2014 3:22 PM, street.swee...@mailworks.org wrote:
Hello all,
A bit of background, I had some slides scanned and a 3-character
slice of the file name indicates what roll of film it was.
This is recorded in a tab-separated file called fileNames.tab.
Its content looks something like:
p01
On 3/19/2014 8:19 AM, Toni Fuente wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am stack with a problem that I can't find a solution:
I need to create a sqlite schema dynamically, I've got a dictionary with
text keys: "RedHat", "CentOS", "SLES9",..., "etc", "etc"
My intention was at the time of creating the table
My first
> guess was that standard slice notation on the first index would do it,
> but it doesn't! Instead, we get the rows again:
>
> In [6]: l[:][0]
> Out[6]: [11, 12, 13]
>
> In [7]: l[:][1]
> Out[7]: [21, 22, 23]
>
Jose,
Just for clarity, are you trying to acces
I'm posting this to include you in this conversation.
Recently I got the following Request: can you write me a code in python
please or if you have one already
my response:
print('hello world')
what more can I do for you?
(next two lines are best guesses as I can't find the relevant emails.
On 4/1/2014 3:26 AM, Sebastien Gomez wrote:
The vending machine must have 5 prices with items
it should accept 10p, 20p 50p and £1 coins
it should allow the user to purchase a item and give him a choice of
purchasing something else. it should display the remaining credit once
the item is purcha
On 4/1/2014 5:09 PM, Sebastien Gomez wrote:
I have started my code but there are some errors including indentation
and syntax, please fix it if you can:
Did you miss my request that you send a copy to the tutor list
(tutor@python.org)?
Were there any more specifications in the assignment?
P
On 4/2/2014 5:06 PM, Sebastien Gomez wrote:
i am using python 3.2
windows vista
This is my last email to you. Communicating with you is way too time
consuming; you consistently do not provide all the information I
request, nor do you include the tutor list in your responses.
If you want any
Caveat: I began this before there were any other responses. So this may
be overkill - but I ike to be thorough.
On 4/9/2014 12:49 PM, Jared Nielsen wrote:
Hi Pythons,
Could someone explain the difference between expressions and statements?
I know that expressions are statements that produce a
On 4/10/2014 5:48 PM, Jared Nielsen wrote:
Thanks for the thorough answer, Bob. I now understand the difference.
Thanks for the ACK. It helps me remember I have something to contribute.
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On 4/11/2014 1:13 PM, Andoni Gorostiza wrote:
Hi tutor. I need your help with something I don't understand. In the
tutorial, it mentions an example of a range within a range. I'll keep
it simplified. How exactly does this work? I'll provide a few examples.
>>> for x in range(0,5):
...for n in
On 4/10/2014 6:26 PM, Saba Usmani wrote:
My task is :
Welcome to the tutor list. In what school are you learning Python?
What version of Python? What operating system? What do you use to write
and run your code?
What Python elements have you studied so far? Your code can be greatly
simpli
On 4/14/2014 11:30 AM, Laura Kauria wrote:
Thanks a lot for all the help! I got the courage to start at least..
Some requests regarding posts.
1) put your comments following the relevant text rather than at the top.
2) delete old (irrelevant) text.
4) be more clear with your questions.
I star
On 4/14/2014 10:09 PM, brian arb wrote:
I don't quite understand why the google python style guide recommends
that packages and modules we write should avoid using the catch-all
except. Instead the guide encourages you to write domain specific
exception classes.
class Error(Exception):
""".
ests that the first 'if' clause (matching the first 10
characters of the last line) is satisfied, but the second one isn't,
as the flow jumps to the second 'else' clause.
As the script runs without complaint, this is presumably a logical
error rather than a syntax error,
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Hi Steven,
On 03/05/14 02:53, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Hi Bob, and welcome!
>
> My responses interleaved with yours, below.
>
> On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 11:19:26PM +0100, Bob Williams wrote:
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>
> But I thought the tutor list readers might be an interesting source
> of alternatives that I hadn't thought of, or even heard of.
>
> All contributions considered :-)
>
Python Module of the Week <http://pymotw.com/2/>
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I'm using Python 2.7.6 on an openSUSE linux system.
I'm trying to convert a shell (bash) script to a python script, and
everything's worked OK except this. The following line in the shell script
btrfs subvolume snapshot /home/bob/A3/
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On 08/07/14 18:12, Peter Otten wrote:
> I suggest that you calculate the folder name in Python instead:
>
> # untested name =
> datetime.datetime.now().strftime("%y-%m-%d_%H-%M") destpath =
> os.path.join(&quo
+ 1
> if grades == "A" or grades == "B":
> print honor_roll_count
>
Are you sure you have your increment of honor_roll_count where you
want it? As it is placed you are counting how many grades of any kind
there are.
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13), so I don't
> really know any good options.
>
Sublime Text is still being developed by its creator. He is just being
slow (thorough?) about it. A seemingly stable beta version of Sublime
Text 3 is available, and the plugin community is actively developing
for it.
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point out that most editors have a setting where hitting tab results
in spaces being inserted (of the appropriate number) instead of tab
characters. Thus you can use your preferred tab key and follow
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t turn up anything that really clicked for me as the way to go.
I could not seem to come up with a search string that would bring up
what I was really interested in: What are the best practices for
organizing plain text data?
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these off to get to the actual data. But when I
implement a data editor later, these labels will be needed (I think.).
I just now have located the documentation for python 2.4.4. It does
not seem to be as friendly or easy to read as for the current version
documentation. But I will persevere...
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 08/10/14 16:47, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>>> It looks like you have csv like data. Except you have a semicolon as
>>> a separator. Look at the csv module. That should work for you
>>>
>> Joel, will
for python 2.4?
>
> [0] https://pypi.python.org/pypi/simplejson/
> [1]
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/712791/what-are-the-differences-between-json-and-simplejson-python-modules
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about the order of installation anywhere during my searches, I missed
it. Anyway, I hope that my experience helps some other newbie who
wants to play around with both major versions.
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Wolfgang Maier
wrote:
> On 10/10/2014 05:57 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> I am hoping to save other people the grief I just worked through. I
>> wanted to run both Python 2 and 3 on my windows PC, and, after
>> googling this topic found th
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:43 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Wolfgang Maier
> wrote:
>> On 10/10/2014 05:57 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
>>
>> It would help if you could share details about how you tried to run the
>> Python 3 program (c
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Zachary Ware
wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:34 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
>> I can live with 2.7.8 being the default Python, but if I wanted to
>> make 3.4.2 the default, how would I go about doing it?
>
> Check the output of "ftype
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:24 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Zachary Ware
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:34 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
>>> I can live with 2.7.8 being the default Python, but if I wanted to
>>> make 3.4.2 the default,
up for each type of error I wish to catch. Is there such a table or list?
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such a table or list?
> >
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> You can find the ones used in the Standard Library here:
>
> https://docs.python.org/3.4/library/exceptions.html
>
Thanks, Danny. That is exactly what I was looking for. Not being
familiar with exception-related vocabulary yet, I was n
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
> boB Stepp writes:
>
[...]
>
>> I have so far been unable to find a list of these class/subclass
>> names.
>
> The standard library documentation's chapter on exceptions
> https://docs.python.org/3/lib
from outside (of our organization) access,
though I am fairly confident that with what little I know I could gain
access from my home. If I can, then I am sure that someone
knowledgeable and skilled would be able to do the same.
Suggestions?
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> The downside is that you need to build a password management
> module/workflow/UI into your code to allow changes/resets etc.
Another opportunity for furthering my education!
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hat str[-3:-1] returns
'789', especially since str[-1] returns '9'. What is the reason for
choosing Python's actual behavior?
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elative to which positive and negative
indices create identical behaviors.
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Zachary Ware
> wrote:
> [...]
>>
>> Have I clarified or muddied it for you? :)
>
> Clarified, I believe, if my following statements are correct: I did
> not consider that t
in
Tkinter?
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Python 2.4.4
Solaris 10
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 26/11/14 16:48, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> Python 2.4.4
>> Solaris 10
>
>
> I can't find anything on this and I suspect that's because
> title bar colour is generally part of the user's preferre
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 26/11/14 16:46, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> I can accomplish this by getting the screen height and width and
>> calculating pixel coordinates. But so far I have not found something
>> equivalent to anchor = 'CENTE
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 26/11/14 17:44, boB Stepp wrote:
>
[...]
> So they can't read email, write reports, browse web sites?
> And what if the OS or sysadmin is also trying to catch their eye - maybe
> because the server is going down and
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 26/11/14 17:39, boB Stepp wrote:
>
[...]
>> The application I am attempting to write will show up in the
>> foreground of our planning software. This planning software has its
>> own color scheme, which all
h will potentially be large
and complex. I have tested this on two different sized monitors where
I work and so far it has given the correct results.
Third: I am always open to stylistic comments and how to be more pythonic!
Fourth: And perhaps this should go into a new thread, I am not sure I
underst
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 05:23:40PM -0600, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
>> First question: How can the printLabel() function see the list
>> variable, l, defined outside of this function? I thought that
>> functions on
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 27/11/14 04:18, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
>> So any variables lower in the program are accessible to those above it?
>
>
> No.
> Its not whether they are defined above or below each other its the level of
> inden
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:18:55PM -0600, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> So any variables lower in the program are accessible to those above it?
>
> No, that can't be the explanation. Think of this:
>
> b = a + 1
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 09:00:48AM -0600, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
> But there is a subtlety that you may not expect:
>
> py> class Tricky:
> ... print(x)
> ... x = "inner"
> ... print(x
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:25:23PM -0600, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> As I am the only person in our
>> group with any programming knowledge (weak though it is), this means I
>> usually wind up trying to solve issue
On Nov 27, 2014 1:27 PM, "Dave Angel" wrote:
>
> On 11/27/2014 11:39 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
>
>
>
> You say you're using some 3rd party package to do the heavy lifting. But
you also s
t file you are expecting isn't actually there? Etc.
I hope I did not waste your time with this long post. As I said, my
programming skills are quite modest. But this is how I try to approach
things.
Keep at it! Persistence wins out in the end!1
Cheers!
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It appears that Michael only sent this to me when I think he meant to send
it to the list...
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Date: Dec 21, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code. [LONG RESPONSE!]
To: "boB Stepp"
Cc:
&g
t; instead of "input", so your code will look like this:
In the paragraph above, I believe that Steven meant to say, "...
version 3. In Python 2, you should use ...", which should be evident
from his earlier comments.
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And will this vary depending on whether a version control system is
being used or not? Or is the use of a version control system
considered to be highly recommended (if not mandatory)?
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
> boB Stepp writes:
>
>> And […]
>
> Could you write a message body that asks the question? (The Subject
> field isn't part of the message body.)
Does the Python way of doing things have a definite preference for th
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 03:17:58PM -0600, boB Stepp hid the following
> question in the subject line:
>
> "Does the Python way of doing things have a definite preference for the
> structure and content of pro
that one should not run a
program using Tkinter from within IDLE as IDLE itself is implemented
using Tkinter. Just to eliminate one other variable from your
troubleshooting you might ensure you start your program from the
command line and not from within IDLE.
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subprocess
import sys
if not os.getuid() == 0:
print("\n*** This script must be run as root. ***\n")
sys.exit()
mnt_path = "/home/bob/A3"
subprocess.call(["mount", "LABEL=backup", mnt_path])
if not os.path.ismount(mnt_path):
print("\nBackup
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> On 05/02/2015 13:27, Bob Williams wrote:
>
>>
>> I would like to reduce all those repeated calls to do_sync() in
>> main(), for example, to one by putting the *_srcpath and
>&
Python 2.4.4, Solaris 10.
a_list = [item1, item2, item3]
for item in a_list:
print 'Item number', ???, 'is:', item
Is there an easy, clever, Pythonic way (other than setting up a
counter) to replace ??? with the current index of item
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>
>
> On February 5, 2015 8:27:29 AM EST, Bob Williams
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> My script is running under Python 3.4.1 on a 64bit openSUSE
>> linux system. It is a backup scrip
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Zachary Ware
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:30 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
>> Python 2.4.4, Solaris 10.
>>
>> a_list = [item1, item2, item3]
>> for item in a_list:
>> print 'Item number', ???, 'is:', item
>
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 05/02/15 17:30, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> Python 2.4.4, Solaris 10.
>>
>> a_list = [item1, item2, item3]
>> for item in a_list:
>> print 'Item number', ???, 'is:', item
>>
&
of the other software
on the systems unless the planning software upgrade makes use of
external software that must be upgraded, too. Unfortunately Python is
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>>>>>>> def main(): print("Backing up ", src_path,
>>>>>>> "/Documents\n", sep='') do_sync(doc_srcpath,
>>>>>>> doc_syncpath) create_snaps(doc_syncpath, doc_snappath)
>>>>>>> print("
s are expected.
Is what I am trying to do a viable approach that can be made to work?
Otherwise, I will brute-force my way through with if-elif-else
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:44 AM, eryksun wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> pass_args = {'a': (x1, x2, x3), 'b': (y1, y2), 'c': (z)}
>> call_fcn[key_letter](key_letter)
>>
>> But ran into the syntax e
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 02/11/2015 08:27 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
>
> Sure, it's viable, but the best approach depends on your goal (use case),
> and your restrictions. Are these functions really totally unrelated to each
> other? You not
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 02/11/2015 10:29 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/11/2015 08:27 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
>>> In each case, there are probably better
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x27;t want to say too much for
those working through this book, but the essence of the issue is
illustrated by the following:
Python 3.4.2 (v3.4.2:ab2c023a9432, Oct 6 2014, 22:16:31) [MSC v.1600
64 bit (AMD64)] on win32
Type "copyright", "credits" or "license()" for more inform
did, you leave no
spaces between the last backslash and the EOL termination characters,
then the problem behavior occurs. Actually, I realize I have a
question:
If I do the following in the Win7 command line Python interpreter:
Python 3.4.2 (v3.4.2:ab2c023a9432, Oct 6 2014, 22:16:31) [MSC v.1600 64
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 02/17/2015 02:12 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
>
> See
> https://docs.python.org/3.4/reference/lexical_analysis.html#string-and-bytes-literals
>>
>>
>> At this point in the text he is not talking about raw literal strin
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:05 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
> This seems to be the case. On a related note, I wanted to copy and
> paste the author's source code, showing how he generated the large,
> "Game Over", but my Gmail keeps collapsing the white space, making the
> res
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Joel Goldstick
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:05 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
>>> On 02/17/2015 02:12 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
>> This seems to be the case. On a related note, I wanted
ain text communication as I
only rarely need html formatting. And I rarely care to see most of the
crap people send me that require html!
So are there any recommendations from this group that would make
things easy, would still be able to receive/send from my Gmail
account, etc.?
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rmation. Also, sometimes
something *clicks* and I am able to solve an issue that has been
baffling me for a while. Plus it gives me thought to what to study in
the future...
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slight "clunkiness" in
addressing pales in comparison to the power and flexibility of the
"stuff" I can store in a list compared to an array (unless they have
substantially evolved). And I have greatly enjoyed making use of this
flexibility!
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2.x's xrange(), which is removed." -- Python Pocket
Reference, 5th ed., by Mark Lutz.
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would like to throw out a general THANK YOU to all of the
"tutors", who so generously donate your time. I know I have gotten
many detailed, patient answers to my queries. I just hope I truly
absorb and properly utilize the wisdom passed on t
y chance have Python 2 installed as well as Python 3, where
Python 2 is associated with your terminal session? And your numpy
module is for Python 2, not 3? That is my first thought, but I'm sure
the experts will chime in shortly with a more definitive diagnosis.
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is used to initiate "escape" sequences. And since every line
ends with with "invisible" line termination character(s) (newline, \n,
carriage return, \r), the backslash at the end of a line interacts
with what is there, whether you can see it or not.
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