". Also, in the IDLE shell the "p" in "print"
actually lines up under the "e" in "zero". However when I copied from
IDLE and pasted into gmail, this alignment was changed. I am guessing
it is because gmail is not using a fixed-width font. And I have y
e exec function. Further, my
tab, which is set to 4 spaces, becomes 8 spaces at the indent;
apparently the tab takes effect after where ">>> " would normally
occur. Of course I can just manually type the four spaces. Alas!
Perfection here is apparently unattainable! ~(:&g
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get rid of the colon. That is used only at the start a compound
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cannot help but
feel there is a much better way...
I intend to scour my available Tkinter documentation to see if there
are root window level and scrolled area commands that might suggest
another approach. And what I am doing now, seeking your collective
wisdom...
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t of OS hassle. In my particular scenario I would desire the
ability to output both postscript and pdf, though if I have the first
it is easy to get the latter.
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On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:54 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> boB Stepp wrote:
>
>>> import Tkinter as tk
>>
>> Question: I have been using "from Tkinter import *" as suggested in
>> "Programming Python" by Lutz. He remarks t
ut decreasing target
coverage; etc. Even though I am attempting to make this program as
*bulletproof* as my knowledge and experience allows, it cannot affect
anyone's treatment. It is purely a supplemental level of checking,
much like the many, ... , ma
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 16/04/15 17:47, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
> 2) I have seen varying recommendations as to number of lines of code
>
> Most of these come from the days when we worked on dumb terminals with 24
> line screens. Actual measurements
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 17/04/15 14:26, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> Solaris 10, Python 2.4.4
>>
[...]
> That's why GUI printing generally uses an entirely different
> technique to print things (see my earlier email). In essence
> thi
print the original copy of a which b now references which is
> [1, ["x", "y"], 3]
Uh, oh! You should have checked your work in the interpreter before
replying! Peter is being very tricky!! (At least for me...) Look again
at that list inside of a list and...
boB
P.S.: Wat
g you can do about this; it's human nature. So I claim that
> making sure the advice your program offers has
> 1) few bugs. And what it has should be crashes, not just getting the
> wrong result.
> 2) Careful wording of the messages to indicate the
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Bill Allen wrote:
>
> On Apr 18, 2015 4:11 PM, "boB Stepp" wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Bill Allen wrote:
>> > On Apr 18, 2015 7:50 AM, "Peter Otten" <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
>>
ence to themselves) may cause a recursive loop.
Because deep copy copies everything it may copy too much, e.g.,
administrative data structures that should be shared even between
copies."
If I am understanding things correctly, should not that last sentence
read instead:
".
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 19Apr2015 15:09, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>
>> On 18Apr2015 23:26, boB Stepp wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
[...]
>>> "Two problems often e
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 04/19/2015 12:07 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
[...]
>> I hope this is helpful, and, if there are any misstepps, that when
>> they are revealed both of our understandings will be enhanced!
>>
>
> Some of your knowledge of
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 04/19/2015 03:08 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> Or is the real point that we are adding an abstraction
>> layer so we don't even have to think about where objects are
>> physically stored in RAM?
>
>
>
, etc.? As the
different threads reveal bits and pieces of the low level guts of
Python, I am becoming more and more fascinated about how all of this
is managed. Just the brief discussion of garbage collection details
going on I find quite interesting.
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close the particular window I need closed -- IF it is even open.
I feel the solution must be in Tkinter's access to the X Window
system, but nothing in the documentation is *clicking* with me yet.
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> On 20/04/15 04:34, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> So, how do I:
>> 1) Check for the existence of an already open window from a previous
>> running of the script?
>> 2) If such a window exists, how do I close it from th
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 20/04/15 04:34, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> So, how do I:
>> 1) Check for the existence of an already open window from a previous
>> running of the script?
>> 2) If such a window exists, how do I close it from th
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:34:43PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> Scenario B:
>> 1) I start out inside the CSA.
>> 2) I initiate a script in the CSA's scripting language.
>> 3) This script calls a
e special strategies and
techniques for accomplishing such a feat?
And any other suggestions to best start learning all of this as well
as possible?
As always, many thanks in advance!
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> On 24/04/15 20:09, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> allowed to install anything else, strange as this may sound! Since the
>> only functional editors in these bare-bones Solaris 10 environments
>> are some simplistic defaul
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:
> In a message of Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:09:45 -0500, boB Stepp writes:
> You need the testing-in-python mailing list. Come on over ...
> http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/testing-in-python
> You will find lots of familiar
tools to support it than I did a
few minutes ago. I highly recommend watching this video -- Mr.
Batchelder is a very good speaker and presents his material very
effectively. Many thanks, Mark, for this link!
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include those portions of the original thread here.
In a message of Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:09:45 -0500, boB Stepp writes:
[...]
>My wife (A teacher.) has been after me a lot lately to write some
>programs to make her teaching life better. So I would like to start
>one of her projects us
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> Having looked at this thread and its early responses I think it
> would be good to break it up into its two natural parts. TDD
> and version control are pretty much separate concepts and
> should be on separate threads.
>
&
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:20 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
> In a message of Fri, 24 Apr 2015 20:24:38 -0500, boB Stepp writes:
>>The Python versions at work are 2.4.4 and 2.6.4(?)(Not certain about
>>the last digit there.) Based on responses to date, the fact that
>>unitte
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 10:58 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:20 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
>> In a message of Fri, 24 Apr 2015 20:24:38 -0500, boB Stepp writes:
>>>I think that I can get an exception here (See a post in response that
>>>I made
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> So many questions... let's hope I don't miss any... :-)
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 02:09:45PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> First question: What testing modules/frameworks should I start out
>> with?
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 10:30 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 02:09:45PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> And what would be the best approach to integrating Git with these
>>>
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>
> --
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 4:21 PM CEST boB Stepp wrote:
>
>>I now have Git installed on my Windows 7 PC at work. The files that I
>>wish to put under Git version control exist on a
tion I have done to date
has not worked.
Also, what about the first function above? I could use 2 dictionaries,
1 for calling the 5 functions and one to pass the arguments, but is it
worth doing this? Or, I would not be surprised if there is a much
better way! ~(:>))
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Marc Tompkins wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:10 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> Python 2.4.4, Solaris 10.
>>
>> I have some functions that I believe I could collapse into a single
>> function if I only knew how:
>>
>>
studying of this topic. But as you point out, not ready for it
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> On 29Apr2015 12:12, boB Stepp wrote:
>>>
>>> ... (3) install git if needed ...
>>
>>
>> It seems Git is needed, but I am not allowed to install it on the
>> Solaris workstation. So is there
re much easier on the eyes, I do say!
Anyway, Mark, thanks for the link! This looks quite straightforward
and I will be able to side-step the evils of eval() once again.
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> boB Stepp wrote:
>> So I have stumbled (With your gracious help!) into a legitimate use of
>> eval()?
>
> No. To expand on Marks hint here's how to do it without evil eval(
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 29Apr2015 22:10, boB Stepp wrote:
>> On the smart enterprise where we (now) do our clinical planning they
>> are very strict: no installing any external software; no accessing the
>> Internet; no email; etc. Not
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 04/30/2015 12:28 AM, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> The main danger as I see it is that if I am not careful, then the code
>> on the dev environment could diverge from the state of code on my
>> Windows PC, i.e., I for
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 12:15 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> boB Stepp writes:
>
>> One problem I have with searching the Python documentation is this:
>> https://docs.python.org/release/2.4.4/lib/lib.html
>
> If you actually need to read the documentation specifically for a P
ttempted to push to the remote repository
and got this:
boB Stepp@DREAMMACHINE1 /e/Projects/project_name (master)
$ git push origin master
Counting objects: 5, done.
Delta compression using up to 8 threads.
Compressing objects: 100% (2/2), done.
Writing objects: 100% (3/3), 328 bytes | 0 bytes/s, don
me tons of time.
Even though the link you gave was for a package add, I just *know*
there will be missing dependencies. Guess I will have to learn how to
resolve all the issues that come up. Should be fun!
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> On 2015-04-30 20:39, boB Stepp wrote:
>>
>> I created my remote repository on, say my C-drive, with "git init". I
>> then copied and pasted a file to that location and put it under
>> version control wi
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 5:39 AM CEST boB Stepp wrote:
>
>>I created my remote repository on, say my C-drive, with "git init".
>
> Not with 'git init --bare'?
e it crashing. While still
there I typed "git clone remote_repo_location" and voila! My files
returned!! I don't totally understand everything yet, but it makes a
lot more sense now.
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system and
version of Python; think carefully about your question(s) and trim
your code down to something that is self-contained and shows the exact
problem you are experiencing; and, always post the *full* error report
Python generates.
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2 is only ever called by function 1?
My inclination is to say yes, as in some future incarnation of the
program function 2 might get called in new ways. What are your
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e raised errors.
I guess my question was not clearly worded. The idea is that function
1 calls another function. Function 1 checks for possible errors that
are relevant. Some or all of these checks are also relevant to the
called function. Should the called function also include these
relevant err
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e more an advertisement for a new touch screen monitor
for Raspberry Pi. In fact most of the search results I got earlier
involve the Raspberry Pi. Nothing leaped out at me. I may have to
sift through those results more carefully if nothing else turns up.
But thanks
ing at least this one project? Of
course, I have not a clue as to how to do any of this (yet!).
As always, many thanks in advance!
P.S.: My wife has researched existing software and has found
everything lacking. She wants custom solutions to her custom needs.
Oh, joy. But very interesting!
-
the code looks even simpler than tkinter.
Does everything have to be written as classes?
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assessment project, it is going to have to be
without all the desired bells and whistles to have something that will
be practically useful for her when school starts. Especially when I
am certain Vonda is still figuring out what she *really* needs!
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out of sheer necessity.
As things develop more concretely and I get puzzled and stumped, I
will post more detailed questions.
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e. It's easy to use, share, and collaborate. It works in the browser
>>or you can use their mobile apps. You can set up checklists, attach images
>>and files, work with due dates, comment and activity streams, etc. Plus,
>>using their RESTful API, you could whip up some slick
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 12:49:50AM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> In this thread, I kept it very general on purpose. I was probing this
>> community for their thoughts on two things: 1) Should I make the
>>
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 8:23 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
> Would it be off-putting later to ask specific questions about
> implementing features of kivy on this list? I imagine that they would
> tend to be basic questions that would probably apply to any GUI
> development. But I'm sur
ut I cannot (yet) bring it to mind.
And for (5), surely I should never violate this one? It seems that in
some future edition of Python they might add any particular __name__
that I might try to use presently in their future version of Python
(however miniscule
in plain text emails. If someone would tell me if I have been
successful or not, I would be very appreciative! If successful, Python
questions will soon follow.
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sophisticated server-based db in the future
incarnations of this project.
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rare times when I
must communicate with programming fora from my iPad. At least you have
demonstrated that it is truly in plain text!
I show in its entirety what I see just for the record:
> On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 10:27:27AM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>
> > I apologize for the noise, b
t present in the Gmail App. Why it would not be beats me, but unless there
is a hidden setting or gesture I have missed, both by futzing around my actual
iPad as well as searching the 'Net, then it is not available.
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Beware! Lengthy post!! Sign of a confused boB. ~(:>)
I believe that I understand now all of the things I want my project
(Tentatively named "Montessori Classroom Manager".) to *do*. But I am
currently spinning my wheels on how to implement classes, SQLite, and
the kivy UI, so
Whew, Alan! You've given me quite a lot to mull over. Thank you very
much for the time you've invested in your responses!!
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 13/08/15 20:18, boB Stepp wrote:
>
[...]
> Yes, that's a standard problem in any HR type
ut()
This duck has a wide orange bill and a long tail.
>>> duck0 = Duck(bill0, tail0)
>>> duck0.about()
This duck has a wide orange bill and a long tail.
>From this I am forced to conclude that composition will only work with
particular instances of objects and not with
ot allowed to have contact with their children, legal guardians
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On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Zachary Ware
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:31 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
>> I was looking at an example illustrating composition from the book,
>> "Introducing Python" by Bill Lubanovic on p. 140:
>>
>>>>> class B
gether.)
... I have been thinking in terms of only my wife using the software.
If I have the good (or mis-) fortune to create a successful and utile
bit of software, I might find others using the program. So your
points suggest I should look for a more flexible approach that any
potential user will
is one wasn't his fault."
So obviously the quality control process let this one slip through the cracks.
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te the main part of your function?
Also, just before your function returns its result, it could
clear/rewrite the label.
Additionally, tkinter has the ability to change the cursor to an
hourglass. You could handle this analogously to what I already said.
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Having seen this example, are there any other security surprises that
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 15Aug2015 15:20, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:
>>>
>>> Behalf Of Laura Creighton
>
> [..]
>>>
>>> To: boB Stepp
>>> In a message of Sat, 15 Aug 2015 14:24:21 -0500, boB Stepp writes:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 02:24:21PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>> I understand your points, but wonder then what is the intended use for
>> os.path.exists()? That is, in what types of circumstances would it be
>> bo
s probably not its function. And I don't know what set-up needs
setup.py would typically serve. I will have to search for answers to
these.
Does this cover everything I need to be concerned about as far as
project organization so that I do
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:10 PM, boB Stepp wrote:
> Right now I am trying to figure out how to arrange my unit test
> file(s). My initial thoughts are to have a single test directory with
> separate subdirectories corresponding to each folder which has source
> code. Is this a go
ser(s) will populate are in agreement? Or am I
over-analyzing here?
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 01:18:06AM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>> 1) It would seem that I need to install a stand-alone version of
>> SQLite, so that I can create this test db. Either that or write a
>> separate
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 16/08/15 23:29, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> http://www.sqlite.org/download.html
>
>
> You definitely want this.
> You treat it like the >>> prompt in Pyython.
I had just finished installing and testing the in
bjects; although we can use
> real files, we can find in-memory structures like io.StringIO useful,
> since they leave no residue once the tests are completed.
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> On 17/08/15 00:52, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>>> sqlite3> .read populate_base_data.sql
>>
>>
>> I am assuming that the .read command would be replaced inside the
>> program by the cursor.executescript() me
ealize that the method I was hoping to start
coding tonight was ill-conceived! ARGH! To bed I now go ... Is TDD
the programmer's version of writer's block? ~(:>)
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-__init__.py
test_mcm_db_mgr.py
--ui/
__init__.py
.gitignore
LICENSE.txt
README.txt
All __init__.py files are currently empty. Alex had asked a question
very similar to this situation, and I thought I had understood the
answer Laura had given, but apparent
tually *known* about this, but have not
used the standard library much to this point, and this is the first
time I have tried this *package* structure of a project, so that
aspect is all new to me.
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er -v
test_open_db (test.db.test_manager.ManagerTestCase) ... ok
--
Ran 1 test in 0.000s
OK
Obviously I was not expecting this! Why did the test run? I thought
it would not happen without those final t
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 09:01:50PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>
>
>> import unittest
>>
>> # import modules to be tested:
>> import mcm.db.manager
>>
>> class ManagerTestCase(unittest.Test
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 09:01:50PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote:
>>>
>>>
>
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 3:18 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> In the cold light of morning, I see that in this invocation, the path
>> is wrong. But even if I correct it, I get the same results:
>>
>> e:\Projects\mcm>p
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> boB Stepp wrote:
>> And am I misreading the docs at
>> https://docs.python.org/3/library/unittes
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> boB Stepp wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 3:18 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
>>> boB Stepp wrote:
>> ... I was not in the directory, E:\Projects\mcm. It is m
a
real benefit here, but, then again, I am learning how to OOP during
this project as well, so I don't have enough knowledge yet to
realistically answer this question.
TIA!
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boB
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