When I receive a 4-bytes integer using socket.recv, it is stored in a
string. How to convert this string to a integer?
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Hello. I am new to the mailing list and to Python. My knowledge of
Python comes almost strictly from Nick Parlante's classes on YouTube
that I've watched over the last week or so.
I'm not certain why I'm diving into Python. My only coding experience
has been using Bash scripts on my Ubuntu system
, is not a valid choice'.format(choice))
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'format'
>>> print('{0}, is not a valid choice'format(choice))
File "", line
+ "
square feet"
The area of a rectangle is 12 x 10 equals 120
square feet.
I find that putting the variables on the end like
that, when you're not
actually applying any special formatting to them
makes it less readable
when I'm debugging my stuff
ou
call it, then remove it after running it to reduce
clutter.
Hope this is what you're looking for.
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and ar
Hello,
I am getting the following -
>>> String = """http://www.rayslinks.com";>Ray's Links"""
>>> String
'http://www.rayslinks.com";>Ray\'s Links'
Note the magically appearing back slash in my result string
Alan Gauld wrote:
"Ray Parrish" wrote
but I cannot find a way of getting this information to the dos program
from python. Any ideas?
You could use os.system("startprogram.bat"), and create startprogram.bat
to run the dos program, and feed it the files, either all at onc
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:04:42 pm Ray Parrish wrote:
print "A %s with dimensions %sx%s has an area of %s." %
(choice, height, width, width*height)
Hello,
Isn't it a little more understandable to use a
construct like the following?
Alan Gauld wrote:
"Ray Parrish" wrote
print "A %s with dimensions %sx%s has an area of %s." % (choice,
height, width, width*height)
Isn't it a little more understandable to use a construct like the
following?
print "The area of a " + Choice + &quo
Luke Paireepinart wrote:
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Alan Gauld <mailto:alan.ga...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
"Ray Parrish" mailto:c...@cmc.net>> wrote
print "A %s with dimensions %sx%s has an area of %s." %
(
Luke Paireepinart wrote:
Ray, please reply on-list in the future in case someone else has input.
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ray Parrish <mailto:c...@cmc.net>> wrote:
Luke Paireepinart wrote:
print "A %s with dimensions %sx%s has an area of %s." %
Andre Engels wrote:
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Ray Parrish wrote:
Andre Engels wrote:
On 3/12/10, yd wrote:
else:
raise Exception('{0}, is not a valid choice'.format(choice))
This will cause the program to stop-with-error if something wrong is
Sander Sweers wrote:
On 13 March 2010 18:33, Ray Parrish wrote:
Hello,
I am getting the following -
String = """http://www.rayslinks.com";>Ray's Links"""
String
'http://www.rayslinks.com";>Ray\'s Links&
Ken G. wrote:
I am using Ubuntu 9.04 and I have versions 2.6.2 and 3.0.1+ installed.
Look for IDLE in Add/Remove Applications.
Perhaps, you may have a different version of Ubuntu.
Ken
Ray Parrish wrote:
Yes, I'm using 2.45.2 as that is the highest version available in the
U
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:33:57 am Ray Parrish wrote:
Hello,
I am getting the following -
>>> String = """http://www.rayslinks.com";>Ray's Links"""
>>> String
'http://www.rayslinks.com"
dress
indexed server log lines which can then be
iterated over to
extract daily visit counts, and other extractable
data sorted by date, and visitor.
The need would not arise if the log files did not
contain two dates each, but my service provider
rotates their server logs around 2 am, so I
# for each unique ip address.
date = columns[0]
dates[date][thisIPAddress].append(eachLine)
Error messages follow -
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/ray/LogAnalyzer/iis-log-analyze.py", line 2519, in
ReadInDaysLog(tempLogName, countryCodes)
File
Hello,
Are there any Python libraries that deal with speech recognition, and
speech synthesis?
If so, where are they available, and are there any open source versions?
Thanks for any help you can be.
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ss within the module?
Thanks for any help you can be.
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Writings of "The" Sc
row=1&genre=0&favchan=false&magic=1269|9898&magictype=0&zip=&music=1&ppv=1&24hr=1&HDTVOnly=false;
s_cc=true; s_sq=%5B%5BB%5D%5D; wtpgcnt=1;
s_vi=[CS]v1|25E3DAD0050118C7-610E60004530[CE];
base_domain_4631b4ff1e53d450c3f9726dd45be7de=tvguide.com;
rsi_ct
Ray Parrish wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to figure out how to send cookie data with an httplib
request command. Here is what the doc says -
request( method, url[, body[, headers]])
This will send a request to the server using the HTTP request
method method and the selector url. If the
description of the
list control, with no details on what it's properties were even.
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Ray Parrish wrote:
Hello,
I am just learning how to use Boa Constructor to make GUI apps, and am
having some problem with understanding the list control.
The list control has a property called columns, but I cannot figure
out how to add columns, and specify names for them.
When I click
I am
taking the online course Introduction to Computer Science and Programming
from the MIT website and this is one of their assignments. The on campus
students are able to collaborate with one another, but I live in Ohio.
Thanks, Ray
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it should exit. I was checking with google
and came accross a command used in UNIX called the tail command.
May be someone can help me to achieve the same result with modifying the above
code? Also the file could be up to 200 MB long.
Many thanks for your kind help. /Ray
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ctionality.
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command. How to use the get command to fetch
the files in the list prevously where the match was found and store this in my
local directory?
- Also how to run this python file daily automatically?
Looking forward to you responses..
BR
Ray
force the ftp script to use the relevant
connections on one laptop. You help and guidance will be most appreciated.
Many thanks
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Once again I really appreciate the help on this forum./Ray
Alan Gauld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"ray sa" wrote
> I have been successful to write an ftp script that logs
> into a server and collects files.
> ...I would like to run multip
allenge to seek.
I am kind of hoping that someone on this forum will know how. In the mean
time I can continue with my testing.
Many thanks for your help; really appreciate it.
/Ray
Johan Geldenhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Will it be possible to disconnect one of
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print CallCount
And here is the error message:
ray@RaysComputer:~$ python
/home/ray/EmailCount/CountEmails.py
File "/home/ray/EmailCount/CountEmails.py", line 41
if thisFile == "/Images/My%20Face.JPG"
Thanks for the welcome - I'll take a look at your recommendation.
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On 08/18/2012 10:08 AM, Alex Clark wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> On 2012-08-18 16:36:40 +, Ray said:
>
>> Hello. I am new to the mailing list and to Python. My knowledge of
>> Python comes almost
GUI? Moi? Hahahawellnow that you mention it, I wonder
Ray
On 08/18/2012 10:25 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 18/08/12 17:36, Ray wrote:
>
>> I'm not certain why I'm diving into Python. My only coding experience
>> has been using Bash scripts on my Ubuntu sy
does not recognize the file glob in znDir/*.
Later in the code I will be using creating symbolic links, and I wish to
use the absolute path rather than the relative path.
Any idea of how to sanitize this path so that I can get glob to work?
Ray
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On 08/20/2012 11:05 PM, Peter Otten wrote:
> Ray Jones wrote:
>
>> The code:
>>
>> curDir = os.getcwd()
>> znDir = shutil.abspath('../')
>> baseDir = shutil.abspath('../../')
>>
>> Files = glob.iglob(os.path.join(znDir,
On 08/21/2012 12:59 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 21/08/12 06:42, Ray Jones wrote:
>
>>Files = glob.iglob(os.path.join(znDir, '*'))
>>print Files
>>
>>for moveFile in Files:
>> print moveFile
>>
>> Nothing happens. The &#
etc.
much beyond a simple 'ls | ws -l' or &2>/dev/null scenarios. The
docs for Popen have left me completely boggled, and I'm not seeing much
available on Google search. Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Ray
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aren't simply soaked up like water to a sponge ;).
Ray
On 08/22/2012 03:10 AM, Cecilia Chavana-Bryant wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am just returning to my doctoral studies after a 7-month medical
> leave and desperately trying to catch up for lost time. I am
> COMPLETELY new t
Thanks to all who responded. I'm deeply into some of the links provided,
and my understanding has greatly increased.
Ray
On 08/22/2012 12:59 AM, Andreas Perstinger wrote:
> On 22.08.2012 03:39, Ray Jones wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a link to a really good tutorial that would h
he file, I have to test
the opposite: 'if not test:' because Python sees the zero as False.
Does it become second nature to work with these conflicts? Or do you
find it more expedient bypass the OS shell and work almost exclusively
with Python?
Ray
_
at seems much cleaner to me than testing to see if 'os.listdir'
contains a specific file. Thanks.
I am forever confused, however, on which methods can be found where. I
just spent quarter of an hour searching in sys,* os.*, and shutil.*. for
a 'kill' command that I knew I'
On 08/23/2012 10:37 PM, eryksun wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Ray Jones wrote:
>
>> For example, if I wish to test if a file exists, I might do
>>
>> test = Popen('[ -f file-i-want-to-test-for ]')
>>
>> But the moment I invoke Bash for
On 08/24/2012 12:02 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 24/08/12 16:27, Ray Jones wrote:
>
>> I am forever confused, however, on which methods can be found where. I
>> just spent quarter of an hour searching in sys,* os.*, and shutil.*. for
>> a 'kill' command
My code:
try:
subprocess.check_call(['ping', '-w1', ip])
except CalledProcessError:
print 'System', ip, 'is not responding. Exiting'
sys.exit(4)
else: return None
The result:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "./testing.py", line 222, in
main()
File "./testin
On 08/24/2012 04:14 PM, Emile van Sebille wrote:
> On 8/24/2012 3:36 PM Ray Jones said...
>> My code:
>>
>>try:
>> subprocess.check_call(['ping', '-w1', ip])
>>except CalledProcessError:
>> print 'System'
Is there a method by which I can get an exact representation of command
line arguments passed by Popen as seen by the called program? The
argument error I receive shows me an argument that looks exactly like
the argument that I use with Bash (it should - I copied and pasted it) -
but the Bash versi
7; before the
`#duplicate' . I think --sout adds a default combination if it doesn't
find a proper argument. Unfortunately, I know a bit less about vlc
command line arguments than I do about Python's generation of those
arguments ;)
I had or
On 08/26/2012 05:57 AM, Don Jennings wrote:
>
> On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:25 AM, tutor-requ...@python.org
> <mailto:tutor-requ...@python.org> wrote:
>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:46:08 -0700
>> From: Ray Jones mailto:crawlz...@gmail.com>
On 08/26/2012 07:12 AM, eryksun wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Ray Jones wrote:
>> [0x8d42554] stream_out_standard stream out error: no mux specified or
>> found by extension
>> [0x8d42134] main stream output error: stream chain failed for
>> `standard{mux
e the non-working call was misnamed a
'mjpeg' mux. )
Thanks for your help - I have a greater understanding of what's going
on. When I'm 80, I might be able to claim guruship like you! ;)
Ray
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mportError Traceback (most recent call last)
/home/ray/ in ()
ImportError: No module named pytz
In [2]: import pytz-2012d
File "", line 1
import pytz-2012d
^
SyntaxError: inval
On 08/28/2012 11:06 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
> Ray Jones wrote:
>
>> I'm working on another Python replacement for a Bash script, and I ran
>> into a need for enhanced time zone functions. Following directions I
>> found on a web site, I did the following:
>&g
On 08/28/2012 12:35 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 29/08/12 03:41, Ray Jones wrote:
>> I'm working on another Python replacement for a Bash script, and I ran
>> into a need for enhanced time zone functions. Following directions I
>> found on a web site, I did the
On 08/28/2012 12:44 PM, Peter Otten wrote:
> Ray Jones wrote:
>
>> On 08/28/2012 11:06 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
>>> Ray Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm working on another Python replacement for a Bash script, and I ran
>>>> into a need for enhance
On 08/28/2012 12:35 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 29/08/12 03:41, Ray Jones wrote:
>> I'm working on another Python replacement for a Bash script, and I ran
>> into a need for enhanced time zone functions. Following directions I
>> found on a web site, I did the
On 08/28/2012 12:52 PM, eryksun wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Ray Jones wrote:
>>> Do you have multiple python installations on your machine? Do you run
>>> easy_install in one and ipython in another?
>> Perhaps. But the module is not accessible from the &#
On 08/28/2012 01:11 PM, eryksun wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Ray Jones wrote:
>> Oops. No, I see that /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages is included
>> in the sys.path. Now what?
> Good, but does sys.path contain
> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyt
On 08/28/2012 01:11 PM, eryksun wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Ray Jones wrote:
>> Oops. No, I see that /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages is included
>> in the sys.path. Now what?
> Good, but does sys.path contain
> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pytz-
On 08/28/2012 01:35 PM, Emile van Sebille wrote:
> On 8/28/2012 1:17 PM Ray Jones said...
>> On 08/28/2012 01:11 PM, eryksun wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Ray Jones wrote:
>>>> Oops. No, I see that /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages is
>>&
ere's a way to do this?
> Or do I need to buy a second computer?
> Thanks,
> Ben
Can you make each script executable and run them without idle?
Ray
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So how high is this pie-in-the-sky dream of mine?
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On 08/31/2012 02:19 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 31/08/12 18:05, Ray Jones wrote:
>
>> script and have it parse. Is there another method for one Python script
>> to call/import/execute a Python script and integrate the name space so
>> that the variables in each of the
th list a run time. So far it appears to work in testing
modenext we'll see what happens in real life!
Thanks.
Ray
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upposed to work in a generator function using 'yield', but I'm at
a loss at how that all works.
I suppose I should just stick with using the os.walk in the for loop,
but I'd like to make sense of the whole thing. Please someone explain
this to me?
Thanks.
Ray
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On 09/01/2012 11:39 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 02/09/12 06:44, Ray Jones wrote:
>> I was playing with os.walk today. I can use os.walk in a for loop (does
>> that make it an iterator or just an irritable? ^_^), but if I assign
>> os.walk to 'test' (test = os.w
After a few times re-reading, I'm beginning to get a glimmer
> Also, here is the PEP for simple generators:
> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0255/
but this is complete Greek! ;)
But didn't I read somewhere that you can reset an iterator to go through
th
thing like cron or kalarm? That way user inputs could be used
when called by a user, but defaults could be used if run by a bot.
Or is this more of a Linux question?
Ray
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On 09/02/2012 03:30 PM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 02/09/12 23:14, Ray Jones wrote:
>> could run silently in the background. But is there a way for a Python
>> (2.7.3) script to determine whether it was called by the user or called
>> by something like cron or kalarm? That way
On 09/02/2012 06:03 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 02, 2012 at 03:14:53PM -0700, Ray Jones wrote:
>> This is only tangentially related to the thread. Someone mentioned that
>> so long as a script didn't require user input or output to the user, it
>> could
ady don't
understand? ;)
Thanks
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On 09/05/2012 02:57 AM, Walter Prins wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> On 5 September 2012 10:42, Ray Jones wrote:
>> Can someone point me to a page that will clarify the concepts, not just
>> try to show me the Python implementation of what I already don't
>> understand? ;)
&
On 09/05/2012 03:33 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
> Ray Jones wrote:
>
>> I have directory names that contain Russian characters, Romanian
>> characters, French characters, et al. When I search for a file using
>> glob.glob(), I end up with stuff like \x93\x8c\xd1 in place of t
On 09/05/2012 04:52 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
> Ray Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> But doesn't that entail knowing in advance which encoding you will be
>> working with? How would you automate the process while reading existing
>> files?
> If you don't *know* the enc
On 09/05/2012 07:31 AM, eryksun wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Ray Jones wrote:
>> I have directory names that contain Russian characters, Romanian
>> characters, French characters, et al. When I search for a file using
>> glob.glob(), I end up with stuff like \x9
On 09/05/2012 07:51 AM, Ray Jones wrote:
> subprocess.call(['dolphin', '/my_home/testdir/\u044c\u043e\u0432'])
>
> Dolphin's error message: 'The file or folder
> /my_home/testdir/\u044c\u043e\u0432 does not exist'
>
> But if I copy the charac
On 09/05/2012 08:18 AM, eryksun wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ray Jones wrote:
>> subprocess.call(['dolphin', '/my_home/testdir/\u044c\u043e\u0432'])
>>
>> Dolphin's error message: 'The file or folder
>> /my_home/testdir/\
t; os.environ['TZ'] = 'US/Eastern'
> Now just call time.tzset(), and it should work.
Why the additional step of calling time.tzset()? Once os.environ['TZ']
is set, I've found that time.localtime() responds to the new TZ witho
== "Hand it over" or answer2
> > == "hand it over":
> >print "Bandit: Good Job.. Go on now"
> >ammo=ammo-15
> >
I'll take a stab at it. You are using attempting to modify a global
variable within a procedure. Procedure variables are separate from
global variables. Global variables must be passed into a procedure using
something on the order of 'part1(ammo)', and then returned back from the
procedure with a 'return '
Ray
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On 09/06/2012 02:08 AM, eryksun wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Ray Jones wrote:
>> Why the additional step of calling time.tzset()? Once os.environ['TZ']
>> is set, I've found that time.localtime() responds to the new TZ without
>> anything extra. Is
would use
'grid.', I could replace it with 'test' How would I accomplish that?
Thanks.
Ray
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On 09/06/2012 07:15 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 09/06/2012 09:56 AM, Ray Jones wrote:
>> I have a multiple 'if' expression that I need to drastically reduce in
>> size, both for readability and to keep errors from creeping in.
>>
>> For example, I would like to
On 09/06/2012 07:33 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
> Ray Jones wrote:
>
>> I have a multiple 'if' expression that I need to drastically reduce in
>> size, both for readability and to keep errors from creeping in.
>>
>> For example, I would like to have the variable
On 09/06/2012 07:35 AM, Jerry Hill wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Ray Jones wrote:
>> Well, of all the. a REAL programming language. I mean, even
>> Bash ;;))
>>
>> Anyway, it was a shot. Thanks.
> There's almost certainly a way to
On 09/06/2012 07:48 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
>>> On 09/06/2012 09:56 AM, Ray Jones wrote:
>>>> I have a multiple 'if' expression that I need to drastically reduce in
>>>> size, both for readability and to keep errors from creeping in.
>>>>
&g
On 09/06/2012 08:29 AM, Walter Prins wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> On 6 September 2012 15:59, Ray Jones wrote:
>> Basically it's as simple as ensuring that an array consists of integers,
>> and that those integers fall within a certain range. Rather than using
>> multipl
On 09/06/2012 10:05 AM, Alan Gauld wrote:
> On 06/09/12 14:56, Ray Jones wrote:
>> I have a multiple 'if' expression that I need to drastically reduce in
>> size, both for readability and to keep errors from creeping in.
>>
>> For example, I would like to ha
On 09/06/2012 05:31 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 06/09/12 23:56, Ray Jones wrote:
>> I have a multiple 'if' expression that I need to drastically reduce in
>> size, both for readability and to keep errors from creeping in.
>>
>> For example, I would lik
On 09/06/2012 05:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 07/09/12 01:33, Ray Jones wrote:
>
>> Our homework "monitor" complains if we use code that hasn't been
>> discussed in session yet.
>
> The good old "teaching by enforced ignorance" method.
&g
ng the urlopen to timeout if the
target system isn't responding for some reason? What kind of objects is
it expecting?
Ray
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On 09/07/2012 08:33 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 08/09/12 01:16, Ray Jones wrote:
>> 2.7.3
>> According to the docs, urlopen has a timeout capability. But it says
>> that the timeout = ''
>
> Which docs are those? According to these docs:
>
> http
On 09/07/2012 08:32 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 09/07/2012 11:16 AM, Ray Jones wrote:
>> 2.7.3
>> According to the docs, urlopen has a timeout capability. But it says
>> that the timeout = ''
>>
>> I've tried integers as the timeout value, I've t
't seem to work. How can I get that information from the server?
Ray
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defined. Rather than spelling it out in full details, here are some hints.
===
They call this DOCUMENTATION??? "it's similar to such and such - you
figure it outhere are the hints"!
Bah! I hope their code is better than the documentati
ent call last):
File "/tmp/pytmp.py", line 18, in
out = split_string('Hi! I am your Assistant Instructor, Peter.', '! ,.')
File "/tmp/pytmp.py", line 13, in split_string
while '' in source:
TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' i
On 09/14/2012 02:07 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 14/09/12 18:43, Ray Jones wrote:
>
>> Between the two arrows, 'source' inexplicably switches from
>> to. Why?
>
> source.remove('') does not do what you think it does. Checking the
> Fine Man
Thanks for the responses. I knew it had to be something stupid ;)).
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On 09/14/2012 02:32 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 14/09/12 17:29, Ray Jones wrote:
>>
>> 6.5. The del
>> <http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#del> statement
> [...]
>> They call this DOCUMENTATION??? "it's similar to s
On 09/17/2012 02:46 AM, eryksun wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Other uses are:
>>
>> * a single leading underscore usually means "private, don't touch"
>>
>> * double leading and trailing underscore names have special meaning
>> to Python, e.g.:
> There's al
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