On 26 May 2013 15:33, Marc Tompkins wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 6:17 AM, eryksun wrote:
StackOverflow may be good but I just had an unpleasant experience
wanting to add New .py file to my Windows context menu. The first
advice I saw was missing a backslash and had me adding the string to
th
On 26 May 2013 17:20, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 27/05/13 07:40, Jim Mooney wrote:
>
>> Good to know that compile doesn't check syntax, since I erroneously
>> thought it did.
>
>
> compile does check syntax.
I'm unclear on something. The code below
On 26 May 2013 17:38, eryksun wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> On 27/05/13 07:40, Jim Mooney wrote:
>>
>>> Good to know that compile doesn't check syntax, since I erroneously
>>> thought it did.
>>
>>
se could possibly cause a registry
crash. It just didn't work since a backslash in the path to
windows\shellnew was missing, probably due to typing too fast.
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n that a Name in Python is not the Data,
it confused me at first what he meant. But I could literally see the
disjunction in bytecode. I'm sure it's not for everyone - just aging
Assembler hackers ;')
Thanks for the Python(x,y) tip. That's probably useful for other stuff, too.
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code.
Ah good, how do I do that? What's the module? Thanks.
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On 27 May 2013 16:32, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 28/05/13 06:01, Jim Mooney wrote:
> Shall we guess what package that is? I love guessing games!
>
> Ah, who am I kidding. No I don't.
>
Well, I would hate to keep you guessing ;') It's called decompyle -
p
On 28 May 2013 04:18, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 05/28/2013 07:02 AM, Jim Mooney wrote:
> Alan and Devin already gave more specifics, but to repeat,
>
> import dis
>
> dis.dis(myfunction)
>
> will disassemble one function.
I think authors miss a didactic opportunity by
On 28 May 2013 19:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
The standard method for assembling a string from a collection
> of substrings is to do it in one go, using the join method,
Wow, that means I can do this: print ''.join('But this parrot is dead!')
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parrot is dead'.split()))
Which has the same effect.
There is an autodidactic purpose. I kept confusing the join statement by
putting the joined string first, them the joiner, bur fooling around like
this solidifies things in my mind ;')
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Ornhgvshy vf orggre guna htyl
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d Python)
http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-computers-can-learn-better - description
http://acl.mit.edu/RLPy/ - download from
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That's a big timesaver. So I recommend the Lutz book, which despite
its size, he says is only the Python intro. His second book is on
practical programming in depth.
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t we'd finish the book in a
semester packed with other courses ;')
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it in different ways further on?
def uneven_squares(x,y):
squarelist = (c**2 for c in range(x,y) if c%2 != 0)
return squarelist #returning a generator
print(list(uneven_squares(10,1))[2:10]) #slows as y gets bigger, then dies
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On 1 June 2013 21:20, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 02/06/13 13:58, Jim Mooney wrote:
>>
>> It's a little unclear to me where generators are more efficient.
>
>
> When there are a lot of items, and you access the items one at a time, not
> all at once. If there
On 2 June 2013 03:39, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 06/01/2013 11:58 PM, Jim Mooney wrote:
> I'm astounded nobody has asked you what version of Python this is for. in
> Python 2.x, the range(x,y) function produces the whole list, and then the
> expression around it converts that to a
by the climb-the-mountain
"Programming Python." Only Programming Python has all examples in 3
and scants 2, while the only "Learning Python" book available is
mostly for 2 (I think the new edition of "Learning" comes out this
month, bu
installed,
didn't like, and uninstalled, but it didn't clean up the registry (a
lot of programs do that). Only its pythonpath was for 3.3, explaining
the trouble, since installing was the Last thing I did. I forgot that
the counter to the Law of Unintended Consequences is "What did I d
On 2 June 2013 23:56, eryksun wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Jim Mooney wrote:
>> On 2 June 2013 20:33, eryksun wrote:
>
> I looked into PC/getpathp.c. The value of PythonPath shown above is
> only a fallback for when Python is embedded. Otherwise the interpret
g-out, print(), staring-at, and
getting a cup of coffee seem to work best for now. Maybe later, too.
I'm beginning to feel that if it's longer than a page and looks like
it needs a debugger, it needs breaking up so it doesn't look that way.
My brain can only hold so much befo
are
for one Py and some are for another.
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g since it's the free version and doesn't do projects. So you
have to reconfig every time to run different Pys from the IDE unless
you do that trick. No doubt there's something similar in Linux.
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>
> There is progress on improving this situation by formalising the
> meta
On 5 June 2013 13:38, Walter Prins wrote:
> Jim,
>
> You might be interested to know there's several incarnations of Python for
> browser already available. PyJS and PyJaco are Python to Javascript
> compilers, and Brython is basically a Python subset that allows you to
&g
I don't have, it may be a
windows-only response I can get around by changing the code a bit.
But I do like the idea of using plain old words, like "bad" as a
switch, instead of some inscrutable program-switch ;')
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>> First you are effectively creating an entire Tkinter app
>> inside popup() each time.
Actually, that was the source of the error. When I put the app
creation above the function, the dots no longer appeared. As to why,
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error message in the duplicate app. Good Lord, nothing worse than a
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I guess that would be hard on Ben Flinkelstein ;') But I guess I could
still have give_cake = True to be more understandable.
Or keep the program the way it is, use if '' in msg , and sell it to
Guantanamo.
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On 11 June 2013 19:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 12/
example of something that is the "right
type but an inappropriate value"?
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27;blah')
wouldn't be a type error rather than a value error.
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On 12 June 2013 14:16, Steve Willoughby wrote:
> or if you try to take the square root of a negative number, etc.
>
Or the log of -10. Although sqrt(-1) works fine for cmath.sqrt(-1) - I
think I get it.
Come to think of it you can do cmath.log(-10), but that's getting sca
to enlist instead. And
that was during Vietnam ;')
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s in my program directory, though. Of
course, if you have an IDE or editor that lets you set the default
directory that's no problem.
If your editor doesn't do default directories but has startup scripts this
will work (changing the directoy in chdir to your system, of course)
import os
, called IDLE, which should be already
installed.
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ide it. ActiveState
makes it clear so I used them. I'm pretty sure Canopy is for 2.7 but I'm
not going to do a huge download on a slow connection when they don't tell
you.
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On 13 June 2013 21:53, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 06/13/2013 11:55 PM, Jim Mooney wrote:
>
>> Alan Gauld
>>
>
This is for my own convenience on my own machine. As a former webmaster I'm
of course used to idiot-proofing anything released into the wild so it is
usable by
convoluted ways to use {}, which can get
convoluted indeed ;')
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> looks like they're still in win 7.
>
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t? On the one hand, it's more memorizing, but on the other it
might be a simpler syntax. My little finger has trouble finding the : key.
All those odd characters are hard to find - they didn't design keyboards
for programming. Maybe someday.
Now you're going to tell me there&#
On 14 June 2013 10:56, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On 15/06/13 03:32, Jim Mooney wrote:
>
> Now you're going to tell me there's a programmer's keyboard ;')
>>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Space-cadet_keyboard<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spac
this is getting marvelously off-topic, so I'll end it there ;')
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On 14 June 2013 13:47, Dave Angel wrote:
> On 06/14/2013 03:09 PM, Jim Mooney wrote:
>
> You mean you don't write your own microcode in hex? New fangled computers
> get between us and the hardware. Give me instructions that directly
> manipulate voltages, and I'll b
instantly, which means DOS is much, much faster
than my IDE, since the entire list had to be figured before printing (which
took a long time in the IDEs ;')
Which means the IDE could fool me into thinking something takes forever to
run when it gallops in DOS. Useful to know.
Jim
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On 14 June 2013 08:49, eryksun wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Jim Mooney
> wrote:
>
> C:\>python -i -c "import os; os.chdir('C:/Python33')"
>
Well, that didn't work anyway. Got me the right directory and the
interpeter, but I coul
cratch.mit.edu/projects/editor/?tip_bar=getStarted>
>>
>
Hey, that's fun - although my cat kept hitting the wall ;')
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rint
statement, since a lot of Py 3 stuff was backported to 2.7. There is also a
program that comes with Python, called 2to3, which will translate a Py 2.7
program to a Py 3.3 program. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't -
if my IDE doesn't make a disagreeable honk and give m
ay 16 2013, 00:03:43) [MSC
v.1600 32 bit (Intel)] on win32. ***
>>> d.keys()
dict_keys(['alpha', 'olf', 'bog', 'dog'])
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I expect and presents me with
something useful. All I can do is look at the d.keys or d.values
result. But then, I could look at a usable list or tuple just as
easily, so I'm surprised they made it kind of useless.
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ess. I
already remapped Caps Lock to End. Every time I turn around I'm inside
something where I need to be at the end, and have to find the right
arrow or End key, so remapping was an amazing time saver. I never use
Caps Lock. It's Internet rudeness. And if I need all caps for a big
7;s for another day. Too many all at once would just
be going backward.
That may not seem important but while Python is fun to learn, hunting
keys far off from the home keys is annoying, at least to me. Or maybe
I'm just really lazy, since I recline way back while typing ;')
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is NOT equal to false
##Empty string is NOT equal to False
##Empty list is NOT equal to false
##
##Zero is equal to False
##None is equal to false
##Empty string is equal to False
##Empty list is equal to False
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;> not ''
True
>>>
Why the difference here?
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n look out
for - and throwing in the 1, 0 baloney, which I was hoping to get away
from when I decided to do Python instead of Javascript. I may be lazy
but I really don't need to substitute 0 for False.
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##
## "Because not has to invent a value anyway, it does not bother to return a
## value of the same type as its argument, so e.g., not 'foo' yields
False, not ''."
##
## Finally, 1 and 0 are oh-so-special standins for True and False,
that should have
## been strangle
bject such as empty
string, empty list, empty tuple, or empty dict, is always True. But it
appears that idea fails for an empty class:
class NobodyHome: pass
x = NobodyHome()
print(not x) # Result is False when I thought this would be True.
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Not. (And I thought the square root of minus one was bad ;')
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hat's a breath of fresh air - talk about freedom ;') Makes me eager
to get to classes so I can redefine sets as tagged sets.
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A succinct list - worth putting in my Keep file ;')
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got a bunch of specific wheeze. What I want is a
list of the whole tree. Is there such, or a way I can generate it?
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>>> The sort() method doesn't work, but sorted does.
How many times have I read you can't sort a dictionary in Python. Was
I just misreading or was that true of older Pythons?
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ll public, takes considerably
longer. Although an editor that's been around since the stone age
probably doesn't blow up. I doubt VIM has a constant stream of
upgrades (not always compatible), bug fixes, and security fixes ;')
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nt. I was thinking of an actual visible tree,
but it doesn't go that deep, so that wouldn't be of use.
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ception I need to use in the except clause from the more English-like message?
'''
#Using C:\Python33\python.exe on Win 7 in c:\python33\jimprogs
try:
fh = open('nosuchdirectory/text/truthyfalsey.txt')
for line in fh:
print(line,end='')
fh.clo
> There is also an active community writing third-party plugins for Vim
> and this is probably where the bulk of significant new features are
> developed.
So as Dr. Frankenstein exclaimed: "It's Alive!" ;')
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nd red traceback screen I get
from my IDE, then having to close the message-box so I can see the
interpreter again ;')
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> I'd look closer at the IDE and see if it's configurable to remove ugly
> features.
Well, at least the BUNG! which sounds like a spring flew out of my
front end. It's a jarring "feature" ;')
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ed, and it didn't look like you needed solve(expr,x,
dict=True) the first time
since it's repeated in pprint, so I ditched it. Then it worked nicely.
That's a nice little package. Just about self-explanatory, and you
don't need a big, honking GUI or TeX. I think I'll ke
7)*I/6}]
## Oops, looks like I accidentally went complex ;')
I certainly like a module where you don't have to search and ponder,
and it works about like you expect. It seems very straightforward.
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since this package is just basics and not some Huge graphical
overkill.
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docs.
Now I can remap CapsLock to something else ;')
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, so I
sometimes forget to reset it to text, when I'd like a Default to text.
I only want to set rich text on a per-message basis, if I have a
picture to include. If a program offers a new "convenience" it should
also offer to un-convenience the convenience and simply use a default
;&
On 16 June 2013 22:02, eryksun wrote:
> http://docs.python.org/3/library/abc
> http://docs.python.org/3/library/numbers
Thanks. My left eye burns when I stare at the monitor too long, so I
think I'll print out the Data Model and those for bathroom reading. I
can be the Potty Progamm
ays
wants an object, even if you don't see it:
import builtins
help(builtins.open) works to get the
supercalifragilisticexpialidocoius genormous help file for open, which
tells you more things about open than you could possibly want to know
unless you are really Hardcore ;')
But it is not
nd close needs the file handle.
Nope. close() is not in the built-in function list:
http://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html
We've caught them in a boo-boo ;')
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ke to see my name in lights, I didn't
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r to think everyone else is them and knows what they know, in
which case why write it at all? It's not written at a consistent
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Is there a way to unstring something? That is str(object) will give me
a string, but what if I want the original object back, for some
purpose, without a lot of foofaraw?
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;bob', age=50)
That doesn't bother me so much - fewer quotes and no colons - so I
threw my module to the winds.
Still, I'm learning a lot of Python trying to use Python to find lazy
ways to do things ;')
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On 18 June 2013 19:41, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 06:41:01PM -0700, Jim Mooney wrote:
>> Is there a way to unstring something? That is str(object) will give me
>> a string, but what if I want the original object back, for some
>> purpose, without
it really is good to know how to use DOS first.
And if you're not using Windows, all this typing will be useful to
someone else. But Bayesian inference tells me you most likely are ;')
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> http://piranhadvertising.com/yi/eem/lbabm/kfghr/skhnig/uaozl.html
>
> jessica
e it.
I think the name is confusing zip with compacting, too.
Although to be fair.
choosing_nth_item_from_parallel_sequences_until_there_is_no_match_on_n()
might be too much typing compared to zip() ;')
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a bit better but still
finds garbage you must sift through. So builtin help would be
preferable if it were just a bit less concise and had some examples.
It's only an opinion. The gods of Python may do otherwise as they
choose.
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big push for Usability, which I would assume includes visibility - but
it appears to be totally forgotten in the lust for gray on gray to
look kewl ;')
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ten a first language,
have two-tier help - offer a learner help Lhelp(), that omits the
__garbola__ and uses the space saved for simple examples. With a
proviso on top to go to real help or the docs once you get past the
elementary phase. Just a thought. Or encourage docstring writers that
an example now
value every time. So far I have a
next(gen) as a parameter into the function but that's exactly not what
I want - since I need to increment three different numbers that will
persist in the function. I tried a few examples I saw but I keep
getting the same number, so I'm doing something wron
On 21 June 2013 14:59, ALAN GAULD wrote:
>
> Give us a clue, show us your code!
I was hoping you wouldn't say that since it's another of my insane
Lazy Typer programs to avoid typing, which are no doubt considered
frivolous. Although I'm learning a lot doing them ;')
Okay, I have a snippet that
roblems. Although some
of them are from the IDE. But others might be from the OS, and there
are different OSes so this wouldn't be portable.
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zippy = zip([1,2],[3,4,5,6,7,8,9])
>>> D = dict(zippy)
>>> D
{1: 3, 2: 4} # dict works fine
>>> next(zippy) # exhausting zippy raises StopIteration
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 301, in runcode
File "", line 1, in
StopIter
(There is a big difference between
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To u
t;>> b = str(a)
>>> b[:2]
'25'
>>> b
'25035'
>>>
I was confused at first but then realized that the 0 makes it octal. I
thought str() would do it but it didn't. Reading about str() it talks of
string represe
On 06/22/2013 05:10 PM, David Rock wrote:
* Jim Byrnes [2013-06-22 16:01]:
I need to convert a series of digits like 060713 to a string so I can
make it look like a date 06-07-13.
>>> a = 060713
>>> a[:2]
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1,
On 06/22/2013 06:24 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
On 06/22/2013 07:03 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
On 06/22/2013 05:10 PM, David Rock wrote:
* Jim Byrnes [2013-06-22 16:01]:
I need to convert a series of digits like 060713 to a string so I can
make it look like a date 06-07-13.
>>> a = 060713
e ninety_nine dictionary entries to do
that. I'm too lazy a typer ;')
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On 06/23/2013 06:50 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
On 06/23/2013 12:43 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
On 06/22/2013 06:24 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
On 06/22/2013 07:03 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:
On 06/22/2013 05:10 PM, David Rock wrote:
* Jim Byrnes [2013-06-22 16:01]:
I need to convert a series of digits like
if a dumb pol is reading his teleprompter he'll get brain freeze
trying to cipher numerals that big, but he can just read out words.
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avoid, but what if you're adding five or six very long
things, like some really long strings?
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