Re: [Tutor] [OT] Problem with auto-complete package installation in Atom [Was: Re: After virtualenv, how to use ide]

2019-03-25 Thread anand warik
Thanks for the tip! On Mon 25 Mar, 2019, 7:56 AM boB Stepp On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:51 PM anand warik wrote: > > > > I am sorry for not sticking to my original question but editors are > complicated in itself. So many costimization instruction to read through > just to finally execute a simple

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Problem with auto-complete package installation in Atom [Was: Re: After virtualenv, how to use ide]

2019-03-25 Thread anand warik
I am sorry for not sticking to my original question but editors are complicated in itself. So many costimization instruction to read through just to finally execute a simple .Py file which can be just executed using the terminal. I am sorry I didn't documented my details about the system, but I ce

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Problem with auto-complete package installation in Atom [Was: Re: After virtualenv, how to use ide]

2019-03-24 Thread boB Stepp
On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:51 PM anand warik wrote: > > I am sorry for not sticking to my original question but editors are > complicated in itself. So many costimization instruction to read through just > to finally execute a simple .Py file which can be just executed using the > terminal. > >

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Problem with auto-complete package installation in Atom [Was: Re: After virtualenv, how to use ide]

2019-03-24 Thread David L Neil
apologize in advance!  But that is okay.  I am not a professional nor expert programmer myself.  Because of this, I recall agonizing over the choice of code editor, or, possibly even worse, deciding whether to use an IDE or editor.  This is a difficult decision about which many wax poetic and expr

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Problem with auto-complete package installation in Atom [Was: Re: After virtualenv, how to use ide]

2019-03-24 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 24/03/19 18:32, boB Stepp wrote: apologize in advance! But that is okay. I am not a professional nor expert programmer myself. Because of this, I recall agonizing over the choice of code editor, or, possibly even worse, deciding whether to use an IDE or editor. This is a difficult decisio

[Tutor] [OT] Problem with auto-complete package installation in Atom [Was: Re: After virtualenv, how to use ide]

2019-03-24 Thread boB Stepp
On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 2:45 AM anand warik wrote: > > I gave up on Spyder and shifted to Atom, which seems easy to port to > different versions of python created by virtual environments. But now facing > a new problem. I have installed a package named autocomplete-python on atom > but it doesn

Re: [Tutor] OT: A bit of humor related to my sporadic quest to learn Python

2019-01-13 Thread Roger B. Atkins
Ditto, but the angle is steeper, I've lost my climbing equipment, and the volcano is erupting. On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 5:44 PM boB Stepp wrote: > My son sent me this link, which I think captures my situation with > Python quite nicely: > > https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/720/1*7RZKI-g4K_syDf

[Tutor] OT: A bit of humor related to my sporadic quest to learn Python

2019-01-13 Thread boB Stepp
My son sent me this link, which I think captures my situation with Python quite nicely: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/720/1*7RZKI-g4K_syDf6XQEGWKw.jpeg -- boB ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: [Tutor] OT: How to automate the setting of file permissions for all files in a collection of programs?

2018-08-30 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 30/08/18 10:30, Cameron Simpson wrote: >> That is inherent in using version control systems. > ...> state. Personally I use mercurial which does include the permissions in the > state. Ah, interesting. I've never found a VC system that preserved permissions. Usually they zap everything to re

Re: [Tutor] OT: How to automate the setting of file permissions for all files in a collection of programs?

2018-08-30 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 30Aug2018 09:08, Alan Gauld wrote: On 30/08/18 04:44, boB Stepp wrote: [...] 4) FTP this back to Solaris for code repair, testing, etc. [...] This process has changed all of the Unix file permissions That is inherent in using version control systems. Not really. I suspect FTP may not

Re: [Tutor] OT: How to automate the setting of file permissions for all files in a collection of programs?

2018-08-30 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 30/08/18 04:44, boB Stepp wrote: > good news side we went from the vi editor to Vim/gVim; from Python 2.4 > to 2.7; in addition to Tkinter there is now a Python interface to GTK; > went from no SQLite to having it; and a few other goodies that Hooray!!! > system installed, SCCS (RIP!) went by

Re: [Tutor] OT: How to automate the setting of file permissions for all files in a collection of programs?

2018-08-29 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 29Aug2018 22:44, boB Stepp wrote: So as to not lose the benefits of a version control system, I have installed Git on my windows PC. My current workflow now has gotten more complex, and I'm sure can be improved by those thinking more clearly than I (And surely more knowledgeable!), and is as

[Tutor] OT: How to automate the setting of file permissions for all files in a collection of programs?

2018-08-29 Thread boB Stepp
At work I have accumulated a motley collection of programs I have written since I started around 2012. These all run on the Solaris OS. As long-time readers of my past ramblings may recall, I am not allowed to install any outside programs on this Solaris system, but I am allowed to write my own pr

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Re: Need help in learning Python

2018-08-13 Thread David Rock
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 13:49, Carlos Monge wrote: > > Ok, this may have been a fatal error on my part but I decided to start > fresh and uninstalled my old version of Python. Now when I try to reinstall > I get these error messages.. Have you tried rebooting? Maybe you have some lingering cruft

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Re: Need help in learning Python

2018-08-13 Thread Carlos Monge
Ok, this may have been a fatal error on my part but I decided to start fresh and uninstalled my old version of Python. Now when I try to reinstall I get these error messages.. Setup failed one or more issues caused the setup to fail. Please fix the issues and then retry setup. For more informati

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Re: Need help in learning Python

2018-08-13 Thread Wallis Short
Hi Alan Have a look here - I could write it but why invent the wheel :) https://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/ A quick "How To" to remote ssh into the WSL once installed sudo apt-get install openssh-server sudo vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config Per

[Tutor] [OT] Re: Need help in learning Python

2018-08-13 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
This thread is getting seriously off topic, but I'm interested so I'm letting it run... :-) On 13/08/18 07:46, Wallis Short wrote: > To learn Ubuntu, I would recommend installing Windows Subsystem for Linux > onto your existing Windows 10 setup and then get the Ubuntu (or SUSE and > Debian) from

[Tutor] OT: New book on pytest

2017-10-13 Thread boB Stepp
I just got the book in The Pragmatic Programmers series, "Python Testing with pytest -- Simple, Rapid, Effective, and Scalable" by Brian Okken, c. 2017. I've gone through about three chapters so far and I am really liking this book and pytest. Now that I am playing around with pytest, I must say

Re: [Tutor] OT: how to best follow the posting style on this list

2017-09-30 Thread Mats Wichmann
On 09/30/2017 08:37 AM, boB Stepp wrote: > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Albert-Jan Roskam > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I often read messages to this list from my Android from the mobile Hotmail >> page. On other occasions I would read from my browser, from a Windows or a >> Linux desktop. Howver

Re: [Tutor] OT: how to best follow the posting style on this list

2017-09-30 Thread boB Stepp
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote: > > Hi, > > I often read messages to this list from my Android from the mobile Hotmail > page. On other occasions I would read from my browser, from a Windows or a > Linux desktop. Howver, Hotmail pretty much sucks when it comes to obeyin

[Tutor] OT: how to best follow the posting style on this list

2017-09-29 Thread Albert-Jan Roskam
Hi, I often read messages to this list from my Android from the mobile Hotmail page. On other occasions I would read from my browser, from a Windows or a Linux desktop. Howver, Hotmail pretty much sucks when it comes to obeying the posting style [1]. It's even worse than Yahoo mail, which I've

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-07-03 Thread boB Stepp
On 07/03/2016 02:32 PM, Ries Rommens wrote: Hello boB, On the latter I was surprised that Thunderbird did not support conversation views out of the box. After opening Thunderbird you will see a listing of your emails. Clicking on the header of the very first column of the listing will give you

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-07-03 Thread Ries Rommens
Hello boB, On the latter I was surprised that Thunderbird did not support conversation views out of the box. After opening Thunderbird you will see a listing of your emails. Clicking on the header of the very first column of the listing will give you the conversation mode. (Second column heade

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-07-02 Thread boB Stepp
This is an update and a test to see if I have figured out Thunderbird's settings so that everything comes over as plain text instead of something else. If there are any issues let me know. Friday the Mint crew announced that they were releasing their new version of Mint, version 18, Sarah, so

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 01:16:11AM +, boB Stepp wrote: > I just now checked on IDLE, found it was not installed, and typed in > the terminal: > > sudo apt-get install idle3 > > The interesting part is since IDLE needs tkinter, it installed that > dependency as well. As far as I can tell aft

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:16, boB Stepp wrote: > > > The interesting part is since IDLE needs tkinter, it installed that > dependency as well. As far as I can tell after typing "help(tkinter)" > in the Python interpreter, it looks like *all* of tkinter got > installed. Is this in fact true? M

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Alan Gauld via Tutor wrote: > On 29/06/16 23:58, boB Stepp wrote: > >> One point I just discovered for those new to this and Linux: tkinter >> does *not* come pre-installed with the Python distributions; it will >> have to be installed separately. > > Yes, but it

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:37 PM, David Rock wrote: >> I typed both "python" and "python3" in the terminal window to see what >> is here: Python 2.7.6 and Python 3.4.3 [Does this mean we are *on* >> topic now? ~(:>))]. Question: Is Python 3 used by any of Mint's OS >> functions? Or does it o

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 17:16, boB Stepp wrote: > OK, I'm into a live Mint Linux session off my USB flash drive. The Cool. > I typed both "python" and "python3" in the terminal window to see what > is here: Python 2.7.6 and Python 3.4.3 [Does this mean we are *on* > topic now? ~(:>))]. Questi

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 29/06/16 23:16, boB Stepp wrote: > No Git is pre-installed, but it immediately tells me the command to > type to get it! Cool!! If you really want to see what's on offer open the Menu->Administration->Software Manager tool And browse away... :-) -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program we

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:56 PM, boB Stepp wrote: > Now I can get into BIOS. BIOS sees my USB flash drive as "UEFI: Lexar > USB Flash Drive 1100", but it silently refuses to boot to the iso > image installed on it. Something new to puzzle out! OK, I'm into a live Mint Linux session off my USB

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:12 PM, David Rock wrote: > >> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:32, boB Stepp wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Rock wrote: >>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20, boB Stepp wrote: My Christmas present of a Corsair mechanical gaming keyboard was not

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread Roel Schroeven
boB Stepp schreef op 2016-06-29 01:16: On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: What about running Win7 in a virtual machine? What type of performance hit will I take when running CPU intensive processes? Purely CPU-wise, the performance hit is pretty small (normal instruct

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:32, boB Stepp wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Rock wrote: >> >>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20, boB Stepp wrote: >>> >>> My Christmas present of a Corsair mechanical gaming keyboard was not >>> _seen_ during the boot up sequence until *after* Windows s

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Rock wrote: > >> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20, boB Stepp wrote: >> >> My Christmas present of a Corsair mechanical gaming keyboard was not >> _seen_ during the boot up sequence until *after* Windows started up. >> So I could not get into my BIOS area! I had n

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 29/06/16 17:20, boB Stepp wrote: > that Logitech does not support Linux for this product, but others who > have done a dual-boot setup with Windows installed before Linux seem > to have found that once the mouse is connected with Windows, it will > be seen by Linux. This remains to be seen!

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20, boB Stepp wrote: > > My Christmas present of a Corsair mechanical gaming keyboard was not > _seen_ during the boot up sequence until *after* Windows started up. > So I could not get into my BIOS area! I had not noticed this earlier Which keyboard do you have? Most

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:34 PM, David Rock wrote: > >> On Jun 28, 2016, at 18:16, boB Stepp wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> What about running Win7 in a virtual machine? >> >> What type of performance hit will I take when running CPU intensi

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Wolfgang Maier
On 29.06.2016 04:16, Alex Kleider wrote: On 2016-06-28 11:46, David Rock wrote: Here’s my take on a lot of this (it’s similar to what’s been said already, so this is more of a general philosophy of distros). Very interesting reading for which I thank you. I'd be interested in knowing if you'

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Alex Kleider
On 2016-06-28 11:46, David Rock wrote: Here’s my take on a lot of this (it’s similar to what’s been said already, so this is more of a general philosophy of distros). Very interesting reading for which I thank you. I'd be interested in knowing if you'd make a distinction between 'the latest

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 29/06/16 00:34, David Rock wrote: > If you value Alan’s opinion Just to be clear, I run mint because it works but I've used many distros in the past, starting with Slackware then Red Hat then Mandrake and Ubuntu with equally good results. I don't like Ubuntu's Unity UI so switched to Mint but

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 28, 2016, at 18:16, boB Stepp wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >> >> What about running Win7 in a virtual machine? > > What type of performance hit will I take when running CPU intensive > processes? I don't yet have any real experiences with r

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Wolfgang Maier
On 29.06.2016 01:16, boB Stepp wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: What about running Win7 in a virtual machine? What type of performance hit will I take when running CPU intensive processes? I don't yet have any real experiences with running virtual machines. If

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread boB Stepp
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 09:52:50PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote: >> My eyes are glazing over from hours and hours of Googling on this. I >> cannot come to a rational conclusion. Perhaps someone can help me to >> do so. I currently have a 64-b

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Wolfgang Maier
On 28.06.2016 18:58, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 07:58:22AM -0700, Alex Kleider wrote: On 2016-06-27 20:48, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Also Debian. Not Ubuntu. Can you elaborate why you specifically exclude Ubuntu? I've been bitten by an Ubuntu install where half of the GU

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:49, boB Stepp wrote: > > I forgot one concern last night: > > 11) My current graphics adapter is made by NVIDIA. Their drivers are > proprietary. Is this going to be a deal breaker for Linux? Typically, no. At a minimum, you will still have native support for basic

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread David Rock
Here’s my take on a lot of this (it’s similar to what’s been said already, so this is more of a general philosophy of distros). There are basically three types of distros (you can subdivide 100 ways, but these are the primary categories) 1. slower-moving, very stable, binary installs 2. fast-mo

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread boB Stepp
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:52 PM, boB Stepp wrote: [...] > 10) ... I forgot one concern last night: 11) My current graphics adapter is made by NVIDIA. Their drivers are proprietary. Is this going to be a deal breaker for Linux? 12) And what about wireless networking? My ASUS motherboard h

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 07:58:22AM -0700, Alex Kleider wrote: > > > On 2016-06-27 20:48, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > >Also Debian. Not Ubuntu. > > Can you elaborate why you specifically exclude Ubuntu? I've been bitten by an Ubuntu install where half of the GUI apps were unstable and simply di

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Following up from my earlier post... On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 09:52:50PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote: > 4) It would be nice if the most recent development tools were part of > the most recent OS version, such as the latest stable Python 3, gVim, > Git, etc. Generally, the major distros have something

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Alex Kleider
On 2016-06-27 20:48, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Also Debian. Not Ubuntu. Can you elaborate why you specifically exclude Ubuntu? ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/list

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 28/06/16 03:52, boB Stepp wrote: Steven has already repolied and my immediate responbse was almost word for word what he said, sop I'll start again and you can consider this an addendum to Steve's message :-) > 1) I am not ready at this time to take on the challenge of *really* > getting into

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 09:52:50PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote: > My eyes are glazing over from hours and hours of Googling on this. I > cannot come to a rational conclusion. Perhaps someone can help me to > do so. I currently have a 64-bit desktop PC that I built myself. It > is running Win7 Pro 64

[Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-27 Thread boB Stepp
My eyes are glazing over from hours and hours of Googling on this. I cannot come to a rational conclusion. Perhaps someone can help me to do so. I currently have a 64-bit desktop PC that I built myself. It is running Win7 Pro 64-bit. I need to keep this OS as I need to run various chess softwa

Re: [Tutor] OT: (Continuous) integration testing: Can a solo developer with very limited resources truly do this?

2016-03-13 Thread Alan Gauld
On 13/03/16 02:21, boB Stepp wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Alan Gauld wrote: >> On 12/03/16 18:10, boB Stepp wrote: > Does one need to already have installation media for each OS to be > used, or are they pre-loaded? If the first, for Windows that could > potentially be a chunk of mo

Re: [Tutor] OT: (Continuous) integration testing: Can a solo developer with very limited resources truly do this?

2016-03-13 Thread Albert-Jan Roskam
> From: d...@hashcollision.org > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 18:34:02 -0800 > To: robertvst...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Tutor] OT: (Continuous) integration testing: Can a solo > developer with very limited resources truly do this? > CC: tutor@python.org > > On Sat, Mar 1

Re: [Tutor] OT: (Continuous) integration testing: Can a solo developer with very limited resources truly do this?

2016-03-12 Thread wolfrage8...@gmail.com
>> >>> Does one need to already have installation media for each OS to be >>> used, or are they pre-loaded? If the first, for Windows that could >>> potentially be a chunk of money! >> >> See Here Free Virtual Machines for Windows: >> https://dev.windows.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/windows

Re: [Tutor] OT: (Continuous) integration testing: Can a solo developer with very limited resources truly do this?

2016-03-12 Thread Danny Yoo
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:10 AM, boB Stepp wrote: > From "Practices of an Agile Developer" by Venkat Subramaniam and Andy > Hunt, c. 2006, page 90: > > > You're already writing unit tests to exercise your code. Whenever you > modify or refactor your code, you exercise your test cases before you

Re: [Tutor] OT: (Continuous) integration testing: Can a solo developer with very limited resources truly do this?

2016-03-12 Thread boB Stepp
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Alan Gauld wrote: > On 12/03/16 18:10, boB Stepp wrote: > Virtual machines, eg VirtualBox. > You can install all of the required OS on a single physical machine > (assuming the same hardware of course). For example, on my > Linux Mint box I have 2 versions of Win

Re: [Tutor] OT: (Continuous) integration testing: Can a solo developer with very limited resources truly do this?

2016-03-12 Thread wolfrage8...@gmail.com
> You're already writing unit tests to exercise your code. Whenever you > modify or refactor your code, you exercise your test cases before you > check in the code. All you have to do now is exercise your test cases > on each supported platform or environment. > > If your application is expected

Re: [Tutor] OT: (Continuous) integration testing: Can a solo developer with very limited resources truly do this?

2016-03-12 Thread Alan Gauld
On 12/03/16 18:10, boB Stepp wrote: > > You're already writing unit tests to exercise your code. Whenever you > modify or refactor your code, you exercise your test cases before you > check in the code. All you have to do now is exercise your test cases > on each supported platform or environme

[Tutor] OT: (Continuous) integration testing: Can a solo developer with very limited resources truly do this?

2016-03-12 Thread boB Stepp
>From "Practices of an Agile Developer" by Venkat Subramaniam and Andy Hunt, c. 2006, page 90: You're already writing unit tests to exercise your code. Whenever you modify or refactor your code, you exercise your test cases before you check in the code. All you have to do now is exercise your t

[Tutor] [OT] Calculus comic, was Re: Fwd: Finding the max value from a dictionary that does not exceed a variable's value.

2016-02-01 Thread Peter Otten
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 12:00:47PM -0800, Danny Yoo wrote: >> Here's a response I sent to Srinivas yesterday to further explain why >> a balanced binary tree is probably overkill for the "largest >> denomination" selection problem. (I didn't realize that I had not >> sent

Re: [Tutor] OT: How best to use Git for multi-directory projects?

2016-01-01 Thread boB Stepp
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Martin A. Brown wrote: > > Hello there boB, > > Hey, wait a second! What time zone are you in? You can't have 2016 > resolutions already. Not even the New Zealanders are there yet! Santa gave me a peek into you know who's time machine! >>My thoughts are that

Re: [Tutor] OT: How best to use Git for multi-directory projects?

2015-12-29 Thread Martin A. Brown
Hello there boB, Hey, wait a second! What time zone are you in? You can't have 2016 resolutions already. Not even the New Zealanders are there yet! >I have two situations that I wish to use Git for: 1) Multi-directory >Python projects and 2) learning Python from various books which >inevita

[Tutor] OT: How best to use Git for multi-directory projects?

2015-12-29 Thread boB Stepp
I have two situations that I wish to use Git for: 1) Multi-directory Python projects and 2) learning Python from various books which inevitably have suggested exercises to program solutions for. For (1) I might have multiple projects going simultaneously. Say something like: project1/ sourc

Re: [Tutor] OT: How to automate user interactions with GUI elements of closed-source programs?

2015-12-24 Thread boB Stepp
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Alan Gauld wrote: > To quote my recent book: [...] > This is a frustrating technique that is very error prone and also very > vulnerable to changes in the application being controlled—for example, > if an upgrade changes the screen layout, your code will likely

Re: [Tutor] OT: How to automate user interactions with GUI elements of closed-source programs?

2015-12-24 Thread Alan Gauld
On 24/12/15 14:54, boB Stepp wrote: > publicly accessible API. Are there ways to programmatically > accurately click the right buttons (or check boxes, radio buttons, > etc.), copy desired fields and then switch to another program and > paste the desired information into the desired fields, accur

Re: [Tutor] OT: How to automate user interactions with GUI elements of closed-source programs?

2015-12-24 Thread boB Stepp
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Oscar Benjamin wrote: > > On 24 Dec 2015 14:55, "boB Stepp" wrote: [...] >> I find myself doing the same boring, repetitive tasks by hand, which >> amounts to copying certain information from one program and putting it >> into other programs. None of these pro

Re: [Tutor] OT: How to automate user interactions with GUI elements of closed-source programs?

2015-12-24 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 24 Dec 2015 14:55, "boB Stepp" wrote: > > My Google-fu is weak on this question. I keep getting lots of hits on > web scraping, but my interest is actually as follows: > > I find myself doing the same boring, repetitive tasks by hand, which > amounts to copying certain information from one pro

Re: [Tutor] OT: How to automate user interactions with GUI elements of closed-source programs?

2015-12-24 Thread Jim Byrnes
On 12/24/2015 08:54 AM, boB Stepp wrote: My Google-fu is weak on this question. I keep getting lots of hits on web scraping, but my interest is actually as follows: I find myself doing the same boring, repetitive tasks by hand, which amounts to copying certain information from one program and p

[Tutor] OT: How to automate user interactions with GUI elements of closed-source programs?

2015-12-24 Thread boB Stepp
My Google-fu is weak on this question. I keep getting lots of hits on web scraping, but my interest is actually as follows: I find myself doing the same boring, repetitive tasks by hand, which amounts to copying certain information from one program and putting it into other programs. None of the

Re: [Tutor] OT: Searching Tutor Archives

2015-08-19 Thread Ken G.
On 08/19/2015 07:34 PM, Alan Gauld wrote: On 19/08/15 18:43, Ken G. wrote: explain how to found such an article or kindly refresh my memory on how to correct an original file without using a secondary file. Thanks. Others have explained the search. Let me just point out that the number of c

Re: [Tutor] OT: Searching Tutor Archives

2015-08-19 Thread Alan Gauld
On 19/08/15 18:43, Ken G. wrote: explain how to found such an article or kindly refresh my memory on how to correct an original file without using a secondary file. Thanks. Others have explained the search. Let me just point out that the number of cases where you want to do such a thing is van

Re: [Tutor] OT: Searching Tutor Archives

2015-08-19 Thread Ken G.
On 08/19/2015 06:09 PM, Ben Finney wrote: "Ken G." writes: Could someone explain how to found such an article At the end of every message to this forum you'll see this footer: ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subs

Re: [Tutor] OT: Searching Tutor Archives

2015-08-19 Thread Ben Finney
"Ken G." writes: > Could someone explain how to found such an article At the end of every message to this forum you'll see this footer: > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://mail.python.

[Tutor] OT: Searching Tutor Archives

2015-08-19 Thread Ken G.
While searching in Google several months ago, I came across a response addressed to me regarding on how to read, correct and write to the same file at the same time without using a secondary file as a temporary file to hold the corrected entries and rewriting to the original file. The entry wa

Re: [Tutor] OT: Test to see if ibisMail app is truly sending in plain text

2015-08-02 Thread boB Stepp
On 2 Aug 2015 Oscar Benjamin wrote: > Have you tried using the Gmail app? Yes. That is my normal mail app. > I'm using the Gmail app here on my phone. I've just looked at your message, > hit reply-all and then "respond inline". Then I can see/edit the > attribution line and your message. I've

Re: [Tutor] OT: Test to see if ibisMail app is truly sending in plain text

2015-08-02 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 1 Aug 2015 16:28, "boB Stepp" wrote: > > I apologize for the noise, but I felt it better to get this question answered definitively prior to posting questions from my iPad. > > I am on a brief vacation and only brought my iPad. I have been having a devil of a time searching the Internet for an

Re: [Tutor] OT: Test to see if ibisMail app is truly sending in plain text

2015-08-01 Thread D Wyatt
I just looked it up. it means Looks Good to Me. On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 04:53:45PM +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote: > > > LGTM. > > Let's Get The Money? > > -- > Steve > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tu

Re: [Tutor] OT: Test to see if ibisMail app is truly sending in plain text

2015-08-01 Thread boB Stepp
Well, in replying to your message, Steve, I see that this is not the perfect iPad solution. After hitting reply all, it failed to give attribution to your comments. But as I have not been able to find anything better, I guess I can manually add attribution names, and make this work on the rare

Re: [Tutor] OT: Test to see if ibisMail app is truly sending in plain text

2015-08-01 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 04:53:45PM +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote: > LGTM. Let's Get The Money? -- Steve ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor

Re: [Tutor] OT: Test to see if ibisMail app is truly sending in plain text

2015-08-01 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 10:27:27AM -0500, boB Stepp wrote: > I apologize for the noise, but I felt it better to get this question > answered definitively prior to posting questions from my iPad. > > I am on a brief vacation and only brought my iPad. I have been having > a devil of a time searc

Re: [Tutor] OT: Test to see if ibisMail app is truly sending in plain text

2015-08-01 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 01/08/2015 16:27, boB Stepp wrote: I apologize for the noise, but I felt it better to get this question answered definitively prior to posting questions from my iPad. I am on a brief vacation and only brought my iPad. I have been having a devil of a time searching the Internet for an iPad

[Tutor] OT: Test to see if ibisMail app is truly sending in plain text

2015-08-01 Thread boB Stepp
I apologize for the noise, but I felt it better to get this question answered definitively prior to posting questions from my iPad. I am on a brief vacation and only brought my iPad. I have been having a devil of a time searching the Internet for an iPad app that will truly send and display in

Re: [Tutor] OT: Is there a good book that covers the history/evolution of software? [Inspired by the thread: lists, name semantics]

2015-04-20 Thread Laura Creighton
Newman, W., Sproull, R. (1979), Principles of Interactive Computer Graphics, Mcgraw-Hill College, ISBN 0-07-046338-7 is a very good read. It is understandably dated, but then it was history that you were looking for. And the book has 2 parts -- a history of the computer architectures we had (in

Re: [Tutor] OT: Is there a good book that covers the history/evolution of software? [Inspired by the thread: lists, name semantics]

2015-04-19 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:03 PM, boB Stepp wrote: > In the beginning (I assume.) there was machine code and only machine > code. And I imagine this was not very good. Then I assume the next > step was assembler, which probably only moderated the (then) tedium of > coding. Then real high level lang

[Tutor] OT: Is there a good book that covers the history/evolution of software? [Inspired by the thread: lists, name semantics]

2015-04-19 Thread boB Stepp
In the beginning (I assume.) there was machine code and only machine code. And I imagine this was not very good. Then I assume the next step was assembler, which probably only moderated the (then) tedium of coding. Then real high level languages were started to be developed, and this was very good.

Re: [Tutor] OT: Preferred email client for sending plain text programming code snippets

2015-02-18 Thread Alan Gauld
On 18/02/15 12:09, Sydney Shall wrote: Could you give us or point us towards some simple instructions as how one uses gmane.comp.python.tutor with Thunderbird. I had a go and I have found it daunting. Create a new news account (File-New-OtherAccount) Enter your details, click next Enter the g

Re: [Tutor] OT: Preferred email client for sending plain text programming code snippets

2015-02-18 Thread Sydney Shall
On 18/02/2015 03:48, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 17/02/2015 23:23, boB Stepp wrote: Hopefully this is not a touchy subject like Emacs vs. Vim. ~(:>)) My home PC uses Win7-64bit. I currently use Chrome, Gmail and have a Nexus 5 phone. The nice thing about all of this is that all of my information us

Re: [Tutor] OT: Preferred email client for sending plain text programming code snippets

2015-02-17 Thread Ben Finney
boB Stepp writes: > Hopefully this is not a touchy subject like Emacs vs. Vim. ~(:>)) Heh. If anyone tries to start a Vim-versus-Emacs fight, feel free to cite me as someone well experienced with both who sees no need to be tribal about either of them. > My home PC uses Win7-64bit. My condolen

Re: [Tutor] OT: Preferred email client for sending plain text programming code snippets

2015-02-17 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 17/02/2015 23:23, boB Stepp wrote: Hopefully this is not a touchy subject like Emacs vs. Vim. ~(:>)) My home PC uses Win7-64bit. I currently use Chrome, Gmail and have a Nexus 5 phone. The nice thing about all of this is that all of my information usually seamlessly syncs. That is nice! But I

Re: [Tutor] OT: Preferred email client for sending plain text programming code snippets

2015-02-17 Thread Alan Gauld
On 17/02/15 23:23, boB Stepp wrote: So are there any recommendations from this group that would make things easy, would still be able to receive/send from my Gmail account, etc.? Thunderbird seems to work for me. I use it for 4 different email accounts (including both yahoo and gmail) as well

[Tutor] OT: Preferred email client for sending plain text programming code snippets

2015-02-17 Thread boB Stepp
Hopefully this is not a touchy subject like Emacs vs. Vim. ~(:>)) My home PC uses Win7-64bit. I currently use Chrome, Gmail and have a Nexus 5 phone. The nice thing about all of this is that all of my information usually seamlessly syncs. That is nice! But I am getting increasingly frustrated with

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Best Practices for Scientific Computing

2014-12-30 Thread Albert-Jan Roskam
- On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 12:34 PM CET Alan Gauld wrote: >On 29/12/14 23:50, Patti Scott wrote: >> Could someone clarify "Modularize code rather than copying and pasting?" > >Joel and Danny have given the basic answer in terms of putting >loose code into functions. But it

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Best Practices for Scientific Computing

2014-12-30 Thread Alan Gauld
On 29/12/14 23:50, Patti Scott wrote: Could someone clarify "Modularize code rather than copying and pasting?" Joel and Danny have given the basic answer in terms of putting loose code into functions. But it goes a little further too. You can be tempted to copy/paste functions because they alm

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Best Practices for Scientific Computing

2014-12-29 Thread Danny Yoo
> When you have nearly identical or identical pieces of code, make functions > rather than cut and paste the same code. Call the function from various > places. It makes it easier to bug fix later We can make this more concrete. Let's say that we are writing a program to do all kinds of dice ro

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Best Practices for Scientific Computing

2014-12-29 Thread Joel Goldstick
than cut and paste the same code. Call the function from various places. It makes it easier to bug fix later > > On Fri, 11/14/14, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote: > > Subject: [Tutor] [OT] Best Practices for Scientific Computing > To: "

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Best Practices for Scientific Computing

2014-12-29 Thread Patti Scott
Could someone clarify "Modularize code rather than copying and pasting?" thanks On Fri, 11/14/14, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote: Subject: [Tutor] [OT] Best Practices for Scientific Computing To: "Python Mailing List" Date: Friday, N

[Tutor] [OT] Best Practices for Scientific Computing

2014-11-14 Thread Albert-Jan Roskam
Hi, I thought this might be worth sharing, especially on a windy, rainy Friday evnening: http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001745 Here are the best practices mentioned in the article: Write programs for people, not computers. A program should not require

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