On 6/15/2009 12:14 PM Michael Powe said...
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 06:34:04AM -0700, Emile van Sebille wrote:
I'm wondering if there might be documented benefits to migrating from my
horse and buggy. :)
Are you in a hurry to get somewhere? ;-)
If 20 LOC/day is average nowadays, how fast do
Eddie wrote:
> I downloaded the previous version of PyScripter although couldn't get
> it to work and after googling it, I downloaded Python Portable 1.1
> (Python 2.6.1 as most sites/books recommend this and not 3) which has
> PySCripter included and this then works fine.Ii also downloaded Komod0
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Michael Powe wrote:
> I don't like GUI-based stuff,
> though, so right off, any editor built on the assumption that I'm a
> mouse-oriented user is right out.
That's why I'm a solid vim user. I can't stand touching the mouse when I'm
coding. It just breaks up t
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 06:34:04AM -0700, Emile van Sebille wrote:
> On 6/15/2009 2:49 AM Tom Green said...
> >Yes, vim or any text editor is suitable for Python, but I
> >prefer having a nice GUI interface while coding. I mean the automobile
> >replaced the horse and buggy, while they both get
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 06:30:50AM -0700, johnf wrote:
> On Sunday 14 June 2009 07:31:53 pm Michael Powe wrote:
> > However, I will say that while following this thread, it occurred to
> > me that the one feature that VS and even the VBA editor in MS Office
> > has, is the ability to pop you into
"Emile van Sebille" wrote
Anyone know of any studies comparing text based vs GUI IDE based code
development? As I recall, programming productivity is measured in
LOC/day and last time I noticed it seemed to be a very small number.
When I started in "software engineering" (c1985) the typical
for note; full tag completion and tag support can be used in vim via
omnicompletion and taglists. Full class support/heiarchy + printing of the
docscrint as you ctrl-n through each completion in the preview window.
Extremly useful when using someone else's library or for remembering what to
pass i
On 6/15/2009 2:49 AM Tom Green said...
Yes, vim or any text editor is suitable for Python, but I
prefer having a nice GUI interface while coding. I mean the automobile
replaced the horse and buggy, while they both get you to your
destination I would still rather travel in a car.
Anyone know
On Sunday 14 June 2009 07:31:53 pm Michael Powe wrote:
>
> However, I will say that while following this thread, it occurred to
> me that the one feature that VS and even the VBA editor in MS Office
> has, is the ability to pop you into the debugger on error. This
> feature is so useful that it s
Back when I used Windows I used this: http://www.crimsoneditor.com/
I think its not being developed anymore, but it is a great editor/IDE that
supports many languages.
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I second Tom Green, when i started off with Python i mainly used Pyscripter
on Windows and its excellent.
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Tom Green wrote:
> For Windows check out PyScripter. Its IDE is similar to Borland Delphi and
> I find it very easy to use. Whatever works for you would be
This has been a great discussion and when I first entered college I was
required to take Pascal. At that time we used Turbo Pascal IDE--if you want
to call it an IDE. As with anything technology advances and we have new
tools for the job and I became spoiled once Visual Studio hit the market. I
Michael Powe wrote:
> It's good to see so much common sense prevailing on this topic.
It's good that this newsgroup is not as prevalent to being flamed. In
certain other newsgroup, even (an honest and naive) mentioning of
preferred editor would turn the thread into World War E.
> An
> IDE such
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:53:19PM -0700, Emile van Sebille wrote:
> On 6/14/2009 8:04 AM Alan Gauld said...
> >"Tom Green" wrote
> >>Since VIM seems to be the editor of choice and I have been programming in
> >>Python for many years using Pyscripter and Eclipse I was wondering how I
> >>could t
On 6/14/2009 8:04 AM Alan Gauld said...
"Tom Green" wrote
Since VIM seems to be the editor of choice and I have been programming in
Python for many years using Pyscripter and Eclipse I was wondering how I
could transition away from the IDE world to VIM.
With great difficulty and to be honest
I've been pretty happy with WingIDE from wingware and have been
impressed with the give-away version of Komodo from ActiveState. My
fall back editor when I'm in a hurry on mac is still TextMate.
Knowing my way around vim is essential, but I just can't commit to it
as my primary editor. (
"Alan Gauld" wrote
[ And of course Smalltalk80 had a very complete IDE in 1980,
(See Squeek screenshots for some idea of how it differs from
modern GUIs!) but Smalltalk has always been an exception to
the rules! ]
I'm not doing well today.
Since I last looked Squeak has obviously change
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Wayne wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Hoy wrote:
>>
>> Try out Vim. It may take you a week to get used to it. Best thing I ever
>> did was finally get started on Vim. Once I got used to it I was very happy.
>> Google around for Vim tutorials. There i
"Alan Gauld" wrote
Some of this might just be what we are used to too. Remember that
IDEs as such didn't really come into existence till about 12-15 years
Sigh! I'm getting old
In fact the first thing I would call an IDE in the modern sense was
probably Turbo Pascal v4 (previous version
"Tom Green" wrote
Since VIM seems to be the editor of choice and I have been programming in
Python for many years using Pyscripter and Eclipse I was wondering how I
could transition away from the IDE world to VIM.
With great difficulty and to be honest I wouyldn't bother.
If you are used to e
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Tom Green wrote:
> Since VIM seems to be the editor of choice and I have been programming in
> Python for many years using Pyscripter and Eclipse I was wondering how I
> could transition away from the IDE world to VIM. My main issue is how do I
> go about using V
On Saturday 13 June 2009 02:44:53 am Eddie wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> What would you regard as the best free Python editor to use on Windows
> for a new guy? Searching Google i see that there is quite a few out
> there and is "VIM" the best one to go with?
>
> Regards
> Eddie
> _
Since VIM seems to be the editor of choice and I have been programming in
Python for many years using Pyscripter and Eclipse I was wondering how I
could transition away from the IDE world to VIM. My main issue is how do I
go about using VIM to debug my code? With Pyscripter and other IDES its as
I downloaded the previous version of PyScripter although couldn't get
it to work and after googling it, I downloaded Python Portable 1.1
(Python 2.6.1 as most sites/books recommend this and not 3) which has
PySCripter included and this then works fine.Ii also downloaded Komod0
5.1 and after messing
>
>
>
> I really like using F5 to run my code, so you can put in your .vimrc so you
> don't have to type it, or just type it every time:
>
> map :!python %
>
> and every time you hit it will run your current script.
>
> Thanks for that. It's even better than typing :!python % because it doesn't
s
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Hoy wrote:
> Try out Vim. It may take you a week to get used to it. Best thing I ever
> did was finally get started on Vim. Once I got used to it I was very happy.
> Google around for Vim tutorials. There is a #VIM channel on freenode I
> believe. There is al
Try out Vim. It may take you a week to get used to it. Best thing I ever did
was finally get started on Vim. Once I got used to it I was very happy.
Google around for Vim tutorials. There is a #VIM channel on freenode I
believe. There is also a VIM mailing list that is very helpful. You won't
need
wrote
The current release of Pyscripter is not stable.
Drop back one release and you'll find a very solid product.
Sounds interesting. What is the stable version and where can it be
found?
Here's the version we use:
Version 1.7.2, Oct 2006
http://mmm-experts.com/Downloads.aspx?ProductId
On Saturday 13 June 2009 04:44, Eddie wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> What would you regard as the best free Python editor to use on Windows
> for a new guy? Searching Google i see that there is quite a few out
> there and is "VIM" the best one to go with?
>
> Regards
> Eddie
I've tried a lot of editors, an
Thanks for the input guys. I think I'll give PyScripter (the previous
version that was linked to) and Komodo a try and see which I like
best.
Eddie
2009/6/14 Ataulla S H :
> Hi All,
>
> I have been using komodo from last two yrs.
>
> Its really very good open source editor.
>
> we can use this
Hi All,
I have been using komodo from last two yrs.
Its really very good open source editor.
we can use this editor to edit python, php, Ruby, html
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 9:52 PM, wrote:
>>> The current release of Pyscripter is not stable. Drop back one release and
>>> you'll find a very
>> The current release of Pyscripter is not stable. Drop back one release and
>> you'll find a very solid product.
> Sounds interesting. What is the stable version and where can it be found?
Ken,
Here's the version we use:
Version 1.7.2, Oct 2006
http://mmm-experts.com/Downloads.aspx?ProductId
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>From: pyt...@bdurham.com
>Sent: Jun 13, 2009 10:16 AM
>To: Alan Gauld , tutor@python.org
>Subject: Re: [Tutor] Best Python Editor
>
>Alan,
>
>> I spoke a wee bit too soon. The editor is nice but the debugger and some of
>> the other
Alan,
> I spoke a wee bit too soon. The editor is nice but the debugger and some of
> the other tools windows (eg variables) are broken. Pity, lots of potential
> here.
The current release of Pyscripter is not stable.
Drop back one release and you'll find a very solid product.
Malcolm
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"Alan Gauld" wrote
I just did, Wow!, this looks like a superb IDE.
I spoke a wee bit too soon. The editor is nice but the debugger
and some of the other tools windows (eg variables) are broken.
Pity, lots of potential here.
Alan G.
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"Tom Green" wrote
For Windows check out PyScripter.
I just did, Wow!, this looks like a superb IDE.
Thanks for posting, its a new one for me although its been out for quite a
while.
And the P4D delphi plugin looks useful too.
Thanks again,
Alan G.
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"Eddie" wrote
What would you regard as the best free Python editor to use on Windows
for a new guy? Searching Google i see that there is quite a few out
there and is "VIM" the best one to go with?
vim is a great editor, especially if you use multiple OS, but it has a
steep
learning curve.
For Windows check out PyScripter. Its IDE is similar to Borland Delphi and
I find it very easy to use. Whatever works for you would be "best" for
you. PyScripter is FREE and I would highly recommend it for people who are
new to Python or people with programming experience that are used to
progra
Eddie wrote:
Hi guys,
What would you regard as the best free Python editor to use on Windows
for a new guy? Searching Google i see that there is quite a few out
there and is "VIM" the best one to go with?
Regards
Eddie
This is such a common question on the python forums it ought to be in
2009/6/13 Eddie :
> Hi guys,
>
> What would you regard as the best free Python editor to use on Windows
> for a new guy? Searching Google i see that there is quite a few out
> there and is "VIM" the best one to go with?
Vim is a general purpose programmer's editor with python support,
rather than
Hi guys,
What would you regard as the best free Python editor to use on Windows
for a new guy? Searching Google i see that there is quite a few out
there and is "VIM" the best one to go with?
Regards
Eddie
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