Re: [Tutor] [OT] Programming practice was: Re: string list in alphabetical!

2013-10-22 Thread Alan Gauld
On 22/10/13 13:42, Sydney Shall wrote: trying to get him to adopt a workflow where he writes on paper an informal "use case" description of the solution and if necessary a pseudo code design. Could you please explain exactly what you mean by 'an informal "use case" description of the solution

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Programming practice was: Re: string list in alphabetical!

2013-10-22 Thread bob gailer
I am glad we are having this discussion. It helps me understand the plight of some of our posters. I had the benefit of a good school system, plus attending a technical high school and a college of engineering. In the early 90's I was an adjunct professor at the University of Denver's "Unive

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Programming practice was: Re: string list in alphabetical!

2013-10-22 Thread Sydney Shall
On 22/10/2013 00:42, Alan Gauld wrote: On 22/10/13 00:07, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I'd like to upgrade that process :D ... 1) think about your problem 2) if there are some heplful libraries that can make it way easier, use them 3) write some code 4) fix the bugs until it'll run 5) write unitte

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Programming practice was: Re: string list in alphabetical!

2013-10-22 Thread ALAN GAULD
The interesting thing however is that the schools have not taught >>any kind of approach to problem solving, they just give a homework assignment >>and expect them to produce code. > > >I feel like we've had this conversation a long, long time ago.  :P > > >This is the sort of thing that we should

Re: [Tutor] [OT] Programming practice was: Re: string list in alphabetical!

2013-10-21 Thread Danny Yoo
> > > I agree. I've recently started coaching the son of a friend in computing > for his new school (he is effectively a year behind > his new classmates). They use VB6 but at a level I can cope with! :-) > > The interesting thing however is that the schools have not taught > any kind of approach t

[Tutor] [OT] Programming practice was: Re: string list in alphabetical!

2013-10-21 Thread Alan Gauld
On 22/10/13 00:07, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I'd like to upgrade that process :D ... 1) think about your problem 2) if there are some heplful libraries that can make it way easier, use them 3) write some code 4) fix the bugs until it'll run 5) write unittests 6) test if it works correctly and if u