Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-08-10 Thread Mike Perry
tor-ad...@torland.me: > On Friday 07 August 2015 13:25:02 Cain Ungothep wrote: > > > Well, Mozilla announced a secadv for pdf.js recently, so there's that. > > > > > > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2015-69/ > > > > Ugh, here comes another: > > > > https://www.mozilla.org/

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-08-10 Thread tor-admin
On Friday 07 August 2015 13:25:02 Cain Ungothep wrote: > > Well, Mozilla announced a secadv for pdf.js recently, so there's that. > > > > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2015-69/ > > Ugh, here comes another: > > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2015-78/

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-08-07 Thread coderman
On 7/15/15, Apple Apple wrote: > ... > I think coderman was saying something about a conversion tool as well but I > didn't really understand it... you could call that rube goldberg a "conversion tool", but really it was an object lesson. ;) speaking of PDFs, "The vulnerability comes from th

[tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-08-07 Thread Cain Ungothep
ncl > mtsio: >> If you to Preferences->Applications->Portable Document Format there >> is the option 'Preview in Tor Browser' that opens the PDF without >> opening an external application. What's the problem with that? > > Well, Mozilla announced a secadv for pdf.js recently, so there's that. > >

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-15 Thread Apple Apple
On 15 Jul 2015 01:56, "Niels Elgaard Larsen" wrote: > No, Postscript is a real programming language. You're right, I was thinking of troff. Even so, looking through the language reference it does not seem particularly powerful. Maybe it can delete some of your files but it can't make network conn

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-15 Thread I
from a Hacking Team email https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/emailid/636440 Unfortunately, we do not know anything about the target. All we know is his IP address comes back as a Tor exit node. He may be using TBB or some other variant. We will need to send him an email with a document or

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On 13-07-2015 10:10, Apple Apple wrote: > On 13 Jul 2015 00:12, "Yuri" wrote: > PostScript is something entirely unrelated. It is a way of describing the > layout of documents with words, like a very early CSS or Latex. I remember > claims about it being Turing complete but I think that this is

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-14 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On 13-07-2015 01:03, Yuri wrote: > On 07/12/2015 12:27, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: >> If you convert it to a safer format > > It is nothing inherently unsafe in pdf format itself, and any other > document formats aren't any safer. PDF is an extremely complex format, the specification is more t

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-13 Thread Lara
Yuri: > On 07/12/2015 12:27, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: >> If you convert it to a safer format > > It is nothing inherently unsafe in pdf format itself, and any other > document formats aren't any safer. You probably confuse pdf and > PostScript, which is more like a programming language. PDF isn

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-13 Thread Apple Apple
On 13 Jul 2015 00:12, "Yuri" wrote: > It is nothing inherently unsafe in pdf format itself, and any other document formats aren't any safer. You probably confuse pdf and PostScript, which is more like a programming language. No I think we are definitely talking about PDF files in this thread. His

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-12 Thread coderman
On 7/12/15, Yuri wrote: > ... > It is nothing inherently unsafe in pdf format itself, and any other > document formats aren't any safer. You probably confuse pdf and > PostScript, which is more like a programming language. PDF isn't nearly > as much a programming language as ps is. It does have in

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-12 Thread Yuri
On 07/12/2015 12:27, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: If you convert it to a safer format It is nothing inherently unsafe in pdf format itself, and any other document formats aren't any safer. You probably confuse pdf and PostScript, which is more like a programming language. PDF isn't nearly as

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-12 Thread Apple Apple
On 12 Jul 2015 20:26, "Niels Elgaard Larsen" wrote: >If you convert it to a safer format... I agree. As long as the user is aware that converting a PDF file into another format can be just as dangerous as simply opening it and takes precautions then I think this is a good plan too. -- tor-talk m

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-12 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 01:41:44 -0700 Apple Apple wrote: > I feel like the wrong issue is being discussed here; the real danger is not > really IP leaks. If you skipped Seth's post because of its length I suggest > you go back and read it. I did read it. > If someone manages to trick your PDF view

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-10 Thread coderman
On 7/9/15, flipc...@riseup.net wrote: > couldnt we just code some protection against this WhonixQubes with DeepLang semantic barriers between isolated temporal processing pipelines. you obtain the PDF inside a transient isolated VM via scrutinized path through upstream Tor and Firewall VMs. nex

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-10 Thread Apple Apple
>couldn't we just code some protection against this Well security vulnerabilities are basically bugs, that is, programming mistakes, which a 3rd party can exploit to do things like crash or take control of the system. There are some mitigations such as Address Space Layout Randomisation, Position

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-09 Thread flipchan
couldnt we just code some protection against this On Thursday, July 09, 2015 01:41:44 AM Apple Apple wrote: > I feel like the wrong issue is being discussed here; the real danger is not > really IP leaks. If you skipped Seth's post because of its length I suggest > you go back and read it. > > If

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-09 Thread Apple Apple
I feel like the wrong issue is being discussed here; the real danger is not really IP leaks. If you skipped Seth's post because of its length I suggest you go back and read it. If someone manages to trick your PDF viewer into running arbitrary code with a malicious PDF file, that person may then h

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-08 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
On 04-07-2015 01:45, Mirimir wrote: > On 07/03/2015 02:36 PM, Lars Luthman wrote: >> Can PDF.js bypass Tor? How? I thought it used the same networking code >> and proxy settings as the rest of Firefox. > > Maybe so. But without firewall rules, there's risk. There's also risk of > downloading th

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-03 Thread Mirimir
On 07/03/2015 02:36 PM, Lars Luthman wrote: > On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 14:30 -0600, Mirimir wrote: >> On 07/03/2015 02:16 PM, mtsio wrote: >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> Is it safe to open pdf documents inside Tor Browser? >> >> As other have said, it is NOT safe to do that, because PDFs can bypass >> T

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-03 Thread Lars Luthman
On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 14:30 -0600, Mirimir wrote: > On 07/03/2015 02:16 PM, mtsio wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Is it safe to open pdf documents inside Tor Browser? > > As other have said, it is NOT safe to do that, because PDFs can bypass > Tor. However, it IS safe to open PDFs in Whonix,

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-03 Thread Mirimir
On 07/03/2015 02:16 PM, mtsio wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Is it safe to open pdf documents inside Tor Browser? As other have said, it is NOT safe to do that, because PDFs can bypass Tor. However, it IS safe to open PDFs in Whonix, because all Internet-bound traffic either uses Tor, or is black-h

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-03 Thread Seth David Schoen
mtsio writes: > If you to Preferences->Applications->Portable Document Format there is > the option 'Preview in Tor Browser' that opens the PDF without opening > an external application. What's the problem with that? There are two kinds of risks that lead to the suggestion not to view documents l

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-03 Thread n...@cock.li
mtsio: > If you to Preferences->Applications->Portable Document Format there > is the option 'Preview in Tor Browser' that opens the PDF without > opening an external application. What's the problem with that? Well, Mozilla announced a secadv for pdf.js recently, so there's that. https://www.mozi

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-03 Thread Speak Freely
You asked the wrong question, so you got the wrong answer. mtsio: > If you to Preferences->Applications->Portable Document Format there is > the option 'Preview in Tor Browser' that opens the PDF without opening > an external application. What's the problem with that? > > Speak Freely: >> Gener

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-03 Thread Tim Sammut
Hi. On 07/03/2015 09:43 PM, mtsio wrote: > If you to Preferences->Applications->Portable Document Format there is > the option 'Preview in Tor Browser' that opens the PDF without opening > an external application. What's the problem with that? I'd echo this advice from the TBB download page:

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-03 Thread mtsio
If you to Preferences->Applications->Portable Document Format there is the option 'Preview in Tor Browser' that opens the PDF without opening an external application. What's the problem with that? Speak Freely: > Generally, no, but that hasn't stopped me depending on the source. > > I usually tak

Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-03 Thread Speak Freely
Generally, no, but that hasn't stopped me depending on the source. I usually take one of two approaches, depending on the intention. http://view.samurajdata.se/ You can point an online pdf document on this site, and it will load it for you, without using a plugin. Or, download the pdf yourself,

[tor-talk] pdf with tor

2015-07-03 Thread mtsio
Hello everyone, Is it safe to open pdf documents inside Tor Browser? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk