Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-30 Thread Spencer
Hi, Mirimir: segregating networking [to prevent malice] Windows/Bromium micro-virtualization should have helped, it seems, no? Not sure how many "Windows Guys" we have here. Wordlife, Spencer -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other setting

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-30 Thread Mirimir
On 06/30/2016 05:52 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 03:10:42PM -0400, Paul Syverson wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:54:04AM -0400, Mansour Moufid wrote: >>> The advertising doesn't correspond to reality, because it's false >>> and dishonest, not because the user is dumb. >

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-30 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 03:10:42PM -0400, Paul Syverson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:54:04AM -0400, Mansour Moufid wrote: > > The advertising doesn't correspond to reality, because it's false > > and dishonest, not because the user is dumb. > > Why do you imply the user is dumb? I certainly

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-30 Thread Spencer
Hi, Paul Syverson: it is misleading to assume 'traffic analysis' must imply a global adversary Unless exempted, 'traffic analysis' implies all adversaries. onion routing generally protects against traffic analysis not traffic confirmation Confirmation cannot happen without analysis, it

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-30 Thread Paul Syverson
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:54:04AM -0400, Mansour Moufid wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Paul Syverson > wrote: > > > Vitriol aside, the problem is that you don't get to just apply your > > own intuitive decisions about the meaning of technical terms and then > > complain based on that

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-30 Thread Tempest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Mansour Moufid: > The audience of the Tor project, ever since it's provided a > convenient browser rather than just source code, is the average > user, not the technical community. So when the Tor project website > promises "anonymity," they are not

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-29 Thread grarpamp
On 6/29/16, Mansour Moufid wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Paul Syverson > wrote: > > The audience of the Tor project, ever since it's provided a convenient > browser rather than just source code, is the average user, not the > technical community. So when the Tor project website prom

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-29 Thread Mansour Moufid
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Paul Syverson wrote: > Vitriol aside, the problem is that you don't get to just apply your > own intuitive decisions about the meaning of technical terms and then > complain based on that. The audience of the Tor project, ever since it's provided a convenient br

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-28 Thread Spencer
Hi, Paul Syverson: 'Anonymity' Anonymous: [adjective] 1. without name; having no outstanding, individual, or unusual features. This definition aligns with the initial onion routing feature of separating identification from routing, and the current public features of Tor Browser. Howe

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-27 Thread Paul Syverson
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 01:18:11AM -0700, Spencer wrote: > Hi, > > > > >Paul Syverson: > >the meaning of technical terms > > > > So that I may verify and understand meaning, what terms? > 'Anonymity', more specifically communications anonymity. (As I've already said, I think "anonymity" is some

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-27 Thread Spencer
Hi, Paul Syverson: the meaning of technical terms So that I may verify and understand meaning, what terms? Wordlife, Spencer -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-ta

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-23 Thread Paul Syverson
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:10:36AM -0400, Chris Dagdigian wrote: > > Seriously? I spent some time trying to parse Juan's various messages > yesterday to try to understand his point of view ... if you remove all of > the insults and snide remarks the only concrete position I could discern was > th

Re: [tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-23 Thread Chris Dagdigian
Seriously? I spent some time trying to parse Juan's various messages yesterday to try to understand his point of view ... if you remove all of the insults and snide remarks the only concrete position I could discern was that he was legit upset over the marketing/PR approach of the Tor projec

[tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

2016-06-23 Thread Spencer
Hi, Александр: I tried to subscribe to the Tor list (you know, this "anti-censorship" software list :D). Got a message that i am banned. censored. Like you, Juan, Zen, and a few others. Banning people under the guise of 'Topic' is not going to shift the focus away from Tor's lack of assuran