Re: [tor-talk] [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
What if a Tor Bridge blocked connections to the tor network to selective client IPs? Would we keep it in BridgeDB because its sometimes useful? On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 10:02 PM arisbe wrote: > Children should be seen and not herd. The opposite goes for Tor relays. > Arisbe > > > On 8/30/2018 2:

Re: [tor-talk] [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
So you are totally cool allowing Tor Exits to censor with impunity? Allowing this one Turkey exit risks losing new Tor users thinking the product doesn’t work after all. On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:30 PM Pascal Terjan wrote: > How is situation 1 different from 2 from the user perspective? In both >

Re: [tor-talk] [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
Matthew: Built in functionality, maybe, an addon, no. Also either solution is a bandaid to the actual problem that we're allowing an exit with no contact information to censor Tor users with impunity! On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:01 PM Matthew Glennon wrote: > Could this be mitigated with a detecti

Re: [tor-talk] [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
The exit is behind a filtered ISP. Opposed to a website blocking exits. That’s the difference. 1) The content provider causes the block. 2) The exit causes the block. In situation two a censored user may give up on Tor entirely. Should we allow exits in China or Iraq or Syria or Turkey or the sev

Re: [tor-talk] [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
That’s a website blocking Tor users. Not a Tor Exit blocking a website. On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:06 PM Pascal Terjan wrote: > > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 14:11 Nathaniel Suchy, wrote: > >> So this exit node is censored by Turkey. That means any site blocked in >> Turkey is blocked on the exit. Wha

Re: [tor-talk] [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
So this exit node is censored by Turkey. That means any site blocked in Turkey is blocked on the exit. What about an exit node in China or Syria or Iraq? They censor, should exits there be allowed? I don't think they should. Make them relay only, (and yes that means no Guard or HSDir flags too) sit

[tor-talk] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread grarpamp
This particular case receiving mentions for at least a few months... D1E99DE1E29E05D79F0EF9E083D18229867EA93C kommissarov 185.125.33.114 The relay won't [likely] be badexited because neither it nor its upstream is shown to be doing anything malicious. Simple censorship isn't enough. And except for