Re: [tor-talk] some stats year 2013 for my Tor Network Status site torstatus.blutmagie.de

2014-01-07 Thread Rick
On 01/07/2014 05:08 PM, Bobby Brewster wrote: Note that the number of unique visitors more than tripled betwen June and July. Was there perhaps some newsworthy event that happened around this period maybe? On Tue, 1/7/14, Jon wrote: Subject: Re:

Re: [tor-talk] !!! Important please read. !!!

2014-01-07 Thread Gerardus Hendricks
On 1/8/14 1:44 AM, TheMindwareGroup wrote: https://wiki.thc.org/ssl Thank you for linking that resource. It explains the issue really well. I don't think the issue they are describing matches your doom scenario though. Yes, the CA system sucks horribly. It is best to assume that many of the

Re: [tor-talk] !!! Important please read. !!!

2014-01-07 Thread Seth David Schoen
TheMindwareGroup writes: > I don't know the exact details of how SSL/certificates work and I > don't know about anyone else's opinion on this subject, this is mine > and it doesnt look good. If this document is true, it means that due > to a (massive) weakness in the way central certificate author

Re: [tor-talk] !!! Important please read. !!!

2014-01-07 Thread TheMindwareGroup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi im Shadowman, I havent posted on here before, I found this document and thought it rather important for everyone to read it. https://wiki.thc.org/ssl I don't know the exact details of how SSL/certificates work and I don't know about anyone else'

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Joe Btfsplk
>As TBB is a standard product, its fingerprint should be the same for everyone. Tell that to the guy that got arrested on campus, because he was one of a few people using it. People talk a good game in an armchair quarterback sort of way - "if he'd only..." Unless they're seasoned veterans at

Re: [tor-talk] Thunderbird and Tor - question/s.

2014-01-07 Thread dhanlin
Bobby Brewster: > I was experimenting using Tor and Thunderbird by entering 127.0.0.1: 9150 in > the TB Preferences. > > I used my Gmail account and hence Gmail's SMTP server. > > I checked the headers of the message I sent to Gmail and the IP was a Tor > exit node. > > However, I am wondering

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Luther Blissett
On Tue, 2014-01-07 at 12:48 +0100, Gerardus Hendricks wrote: > > TBB enables JavaScript by default, presumably because many websites need > > JavaScript. NoScript can be used to selectively allow JavaScript from > > certain domains, but doing so could make it possible to fingerprint your > > Tor u

Re: [tor-talk] some stats year 2013 for my Tor Network Status site torstatus.blutmagie.de

2014-01-07 Thread Bobby Brewster
Note that the number of unique visitors more than tripled betwen June and July. Was there perhaps some newsworthy event that happened around this period maybe? On Tue, 1/7/14, Jon wrote: Subject: Re: [tor-talk] some stats year 2013 for my Tor Netwo

[tor-talk] Thunderbird and Tor - question/s.

2014-01-07 Thread Bobby Brewster
I was experimenting using Tor and Thunderbird by entering 127.0.0.1: 9150 in the TB Preferences. I used my Gmail account and hence Gmail's SMTP server. I checked the headers of the message I sent to Gmail and the IP was a Tor exit node. However, I am wondering whether using Tor and an e-mail c

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Gerardus Hendricks
On 1/7/14 9:49 PM, Mark McCarron wrote: That will be the end for Tor. Then I salute you sir! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread tor
> However, IIRC, the amount of additional latency required > to make timing attacks non-trivial is far more than would be acceptable > to the typical user. I'd personally be happy to have more delays and slowdowns, if it was a feature that was making Tor's anonymity protection features more

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Mark McCarron
> Point by point. > > > Javascript, by itself, is not an issue and poses no more of a security > > threat than any other type of data transferred online. Coding errors in > > image handling, html parsing, ftp, etc., can all be used to inject code. > > Note that (potential) privilege escalatio

Re: [tor-talk] Harvard student used Tor to send bomb threats, gets caught by old-fashioned policework

2014-01-07 Thread Mirimir
On 01/07/2014 09:12 AM, t...@bitmessage.ch wrote: > But I still hope that we can try to do better helping the users we do want > to support--even the people who might not be "smart enough" right now. Well, starting Tor in a terminal, one sees: "This is experimental software. Do not rely on it

[tor-talk] Elementary question

2014-01-07 Thread kelemenopy
Since I installed TBB 3.5, I've been unable to use AOL mail. A search of the Tor Project Web site (perhaps too cursory) failed to yield clues that might lead to a solution. Any thoughts on what to do or where to look for more information? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org

Re: [tor-talk] Shutting down the relay-search service by the end of the year

2014-01-07 Thread Arlo Breault
On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Christian wrote: > On 07.01.2014 13:44, Karsten Loesing wrote: > > On 1/7/14 1:32 PM, Christian wrote: > > > Hi, > > > sorry for the late answer. > > > > > > On 30.12.2013 16:53, Arlo Breault wrote: > > > > I wrote a little proof of concept rendering globe s

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Gerardus Hendricks
Point by point. Javascript, by itself, is not an issue and poses no more of a security threat than any other type of data transferred online. Coding errors in image handling, html parsing, ftp, etc., can all be used to inject code. Note that (potential) privilege escalation bugs are found w

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Michael Wolf
On 1/7/2014 11:09 AM, Mark McCarron wrote: > We're not discussing censorship, but the removal of potential exploitable > data. Its not a keyword system, it removes cookies, web bugs, adds jitter to > timings, etc. It can be disabled with a click. > > Regards, > > Mark McCarron > Tor exit

Re: [tor-talk] Harvard student used Tor to send bomb threats, gets caught by old-fashioned policework

2014-01-07 Thread tor
> t...@bitmessage.ch: >> I appreciate your perspective but still think the community may still be >> better off--including those who take the time to RTFM--by taking a harm >> reduction approach to the RTFM-related problems you've mentioned. > > the fundamental problem here is that this is not a te

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Mark McCarron
We're not discussing censorship, but the removal of potential exploitable data. Its not a keyword system, it removes cookies, web bugs, adds jitter to timings, etc. It can be disabled with a click. Regards, Mark McCarron > Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 09:56:41 -0500 > From: and...@paolucci.ca > T

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Andrew Paolucci
You have to keep in mind it's a slippery slop of censoring the content of users that use the Tor network. If we were to add an option for filtering out Javascript what would stop a exit-node operator to decide he wants to filter out any webpages that have keywords in them that he finds "distasteful

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Mark McCarron
The idea of edge filtering ensures that clients are not exposed to exploits. It is a defense-in-depth strategy. It does not replace any client-side measure, it adds to it. When a stream leave an exist node to request a clearweb, non-encrypted page, there is an opportunity to strip potentially

Re: [tor-talk] some stats year 2013 for my Tor Network Status site torstatus.blutmagie.de

2014-01-07 Thread Jon
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Olaf Selke wrote: > fyi > > http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/monthlyhistory2013.png > http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/countrylist2013.pdf > > kind regards Olaf > -- > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to >

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Andreas Krey
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 12:58:49 +, Mark McCarron wrote: ... > The fact that TBB disables javascript is a testimony to how bad the > javascript coders of Firefox are. Ex falso sequitur quodlibet. > I think there is a solid argument for adding filters to the exit nodes that > strip anything that

[tor-talk] Fwd: [guardian-dev] Orbot v13 RC1 is out

2014-01-07 Thread Nathan Freitas
Original Message From: Nathan of Guardian Sent: Tue Jan 07 07:10:37 EST 2014 To: Guardian Dev Subject: [guardian-dev] Orbot v13 RC1 is out -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Orbot v13 release candidate 1 is available for direct download: APK: https://guardianpr

Re: [tor-talk] Shutting down the relay-search service by the end of the year

2014-01-07 Thread Christian
On 07.01.2014 13:44, Karsten Loesing wrote: > On 1/7/14 1:32 PM, Christian wrote: >> Hi, >> sorry for the late answer. >> >> On 30.12.2013 16:53, Arlo Breault wrote: >>> I wrote a little proof of concept rendering globe server-side with >>> phantom.js >>> https://github.com/makepanic/globe/pull/42

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Mark McCarron
Javascript, by itself, is not an issue and poses no more of a security threat than any other type of data transferred online. Coding errors in image handling, html parsing, ftp, etc., can all be used to inject code. The idea that you are gaining some security or increased anonymity by disablin

Re: [tor-talk] Shutting down the relay-search service by the end of the year

2014-01-07 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 1/7/14 1:32 PM, Christian wrote: > Hi, > sorry for the late answer. > > On 30.12.2013 16:53, Arlo Breault wrote: >> I wrote a little proof of concept rendering globe server-side with phantom.js >> https://github.com/makepanic/globe/pull/42 >> >> >> On Sunday, December 29, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Karst

Re: [tor-talk] Shutting down the relay-search service by the end of the year

2014-01-07 Thread Christian
Hi, sorry for the late answer. On 30.12.2013 16:53, Arlo Breault wrote: > I wrote a little proof of concept rendering globe server-side with phantom.js > https://github.com/makepanic/globe/pull/42 > > > On Sunday, December 29, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Karsten Loesing wrote: > I like this idea but don'

[tor-talk] some stats year 2013 for my Tor Network Status site torstatus.blutmagie.de

2014-01-07 Thread Olaf Selke
fyi http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/monthlyhistory2013.png http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/countrylist2013.pdf kind regards Olaf -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Gerardus Hendricks
TBB enables JavaScript by default, presumably because many websites need JavaScript. NoScript can be used to selectively allow JavaScript from certain domains, but doing so could make it possible to fingerprint your Tor use. Let us try to define what "fingerprinting Tor use" means exactly. It cl

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Bundle Accessibility

2014-01-07 Thread Georg Koppen
Hi, Yasemin Acur: > but just because I'm curious: Firefox is accessible out of the box. What > was the cause for this bug? we are cross-compiling Tor Browser for Windows on Linux with mingw-w64. It turned out that the accessibility related code in Firefox 17 ESR did not like that, so we had to di

Re: [tor-talk] Risk of selectively enabling JavaScript

2014-01-07 Thread Michael Wolf
On 1/6/2014 12:39 PM, dhanlin wrote: > TBB enables JavaScript by default, presumably because many websites need > JavaScript. NoScript can be used to selectively allow JavaScript from > certain domains, but doing so could make it possible to fingerprint your > Tor use. > > By my judgment, you are

Re: [tor-talk] Download Helper

2014-01-07 Thread grarpamp
> the youtube-dl python script often works (with Tor and an http-proxy) > but we lose all the benefits of TBB. it also often didnt work as well > as videodownloadhelper last time i used either of them. youtube-dl is useful. test its proxy carefully though, attempting to authenticate to a site may