Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread Andreas Krey
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 10:36:32 +, Roman Mamedov wrote: ... > For example if all of these new users are in fact a single botnet, that's now > connecting to Tor and then sitting dormant waiting for an order to instantly > DDoS into the ground any hidden service that publishes "undesirable" info...

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread Andreas Krey
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 04:24:04 +, mirimir wrote: ... > > Just so it's absolutely clear: > > http://www.myimageshare.com/images/2013/09/03/Syria.png Except that the syrian surge you show here started two weeks before the global surge, and syria does not show significant increase starting at 08-

Re: [tor-talk] Email Clients and Tor

2013-09-03 Thread str4d
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/01/2013 12:31 AM, Viking God wrote: > Most internet related programs can be configured to use Tor, but > not necessarily in a totally anonymous way. Some programs still > leak information about your IP, for example when doing DNS > requests. Bu

Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 22:02:39 +0100 Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: > To answer the OP: how can we tell "malicious users" from "valid users". I > understand your POV, but surely we can't discriminate? Or can we? For example if all of these new users are in fact a single botnet, that's now connectin

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread mirimir
On 09/04/2013 02:09 AM, Collin Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM, mirimir wrote: > >> I wonder what it might mean. >> > > I don't believe much, Syria's increase was relatively marginal and > potentially related to normal trends of weekly or holiday use. For the most > party, susp

Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread Elrippo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 No it's not new, sadly... mirimir schrieb: >On 09/03/2013 08:52 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: > >> On 09/03/2013 10:39 PM, Elrippo wrote: >>> I have to disagree with you on behalf of SPAM. >>> I opened Port 25 on one of my exits. In a week I got blackl

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread mirimir
On 09/04/2013 02:09 AM, Collin Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM, mirimir wrote: > >> I wonder what it might mean. >> > > I don't believe much, Syria's increase was relatively marginal and > potentially related to normal trends of weekly or holiday use. For the most > party, susp

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week? [revised]

2013-09-03 Thread mirimir
There's a material error in my previous post, which I'm correcting. On 09/04/2013 02:09 AM, Collin Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM, mirimir wrote: > >> I wonder what it might mean. >> > > I don't believe much, Syria's increase was relatively marginal and > potentially related

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread Collin Anderson
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM, mirimir wrote: > I wonder what it might mean. > I don't believe much, Syria's increase was relatively marginal and potentially related to normal trends of weekly or holiday use. For the most party, suspect countries have increased orders of magnitude in users -- S

Re: [tor-talk] VPNGate

2013-09-03 Thread Percy Alpha
What about Tor obfuscated bridges? Tor has published a blog post on normal bridges automatically probed by GFW. Some say that obfuscated bridges are also probed. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/8591 > > And what about Tor over VPN? > It will work. But users in China want to avoid

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread mirimir
On 09/04/2013 12:20 AM, Collin Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Jens Kubieziel wrote: > >> How is this image different from the Google Docs you sent earlier? I >> > > Hi Jens, > > I suspect my Google Doc was newer data, but I've regenerated the graphs and > updated the code to

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread Collin Anderson
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Jens Kubieziel wrote: > How is this image different from the Google Docs you sent earlier? I > Hi Jens, I suspect my Google Doc was newer data, but I've regenerated the graphs and updated the code to clarify this question. http://cda.io/r/tor-direct-users-2013_08

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread krishna e bera
On 13-09-03 03:56 PM, mirimir wrote: > On 09/03/2013 03:35 PM, adrelanos wrote: > >> New hypothesis: >> This is an attempt to shut down the Tor network once and forever. >> >> Might this be an attack on the Tor network with the goal to make it that >> slow for everyone, that no one will use it any

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread elrippo
Am Dienstag, 3. September 2013, 15:35:04 schrieb adrelanos: > New hypothesis: > This is an attempt to shut down the Tor network once and forever. > > Might this be an attack on the Tor network with the goal to make it that > slow for everyone, that no one will use it anymore? (DDOS) The Thing on

Re: [tor-talk] Email Clients and Tor

2013-09-03 Thread Graham Todd
>I quickly checked the settings in (Sylpheed) Claws, and didn't find any >proxy settings. But settings in the original Sylpheed are probably >different from those in Claws. > >May my force be with you! >/the God of thunder ;-) It IS the same in Claws as Sylpheed, but I've wriiten to the Claws-Mail

Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread mirimir
On 09/03/2013 09:39 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: > On 09/03/2013 11:13 PM, mirimir wrote: >>> Seconded. While we try not to restrict anything and have an "everything >>> goes" policy on most of our relays, port 25 is sadly not a good idea to >>> keep open. >> That's sensible. But it's not a new policy

Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 09/03/2013 11:13 PM, mirimir wrote: >> Seconded. While we try not to restrict anything and have an "everything >> goes" policy on most of our relays, port 25 is sadly not a good idea to >> keep open. > That's sensible. But it's not a new policy since mid August 2013, right? No, that has nothing

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread adrelanos
mirimir: > On 09/03/2013 03:35 PM, adrelanos wrote: > >> New hypothesis: >> This is an attempt to shut down the Tor network once and forever. >> >> Might this be an attack on the Tor network with the goal to make it that >> slow for everyone, that no one will use it anymore? (DDOS) >> >> Doing thi

Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread mirimir
On 09/03/2013 08:52 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: > On 09/03/2013 10:39 PM, Elrippo wrote: >> I have to disagree with you on behalf of SPAM. >> I opened Port 25 on one of my exits. In a week I got blacklisted by Google >> and some DNSBL's for sending spam. >> It took me quite a time to erase my IP from

Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
On 3 Sep 2013, at 21:52, Moritz Bartl wrote: > On 09/03/2013 10:39 PM, Elrippo wrote: >> I have to disagree with you on behalf of SPAM. >> I opened Port 25 on one of my exits. In a week I got blacklisted by Google >> and some DNSBL's for sending spam. >> It took me quite a time to erase my IP

Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread mirimir
On 09/03/2013 08:39 PM, Elrippo wrote: > I have to disagree with you on behalf of SPAM. > > I opened Port 25 on one of my exits. In a week I got blacklisted by Google > and some DNSBL's for sending spam. > It took me quite a time to erase my IP from these lists... > > I can live with port 587 f

Re: [tor-talk] New paper : Users Get Routed: Traffic Correlation on Tor by Realistic Adversaries

2013-09-03 Thread Griffin Boyce
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/03/2013 02:09 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > Longer term, the right answer is to use the Firefox update mechanism in > TBB 3.0 to update, in place, only the parts that need updating. > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/4234 > > ...u

Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread Elrippo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I have to disagree with you on behalf of SPAM. I opened Port 25 on one of my exits. In a week I got blacklisted by Google and some DNSBL's for sending spam. It took me quite a time to erase my IP from these lists... I can live with port 587 for su

Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 09/03/2013 10:39 PM, Elrippo wrote: > I have to disagree with you on behalf of SPAM. > I opened Port 25 on one of my exits. In a week I got blacklisted by Google > and some DNSBL's for sending spam. > It took me quite a time to erase my IP from these lists... > I can live with port 587 for subm

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread Andrew
I saw perhaps a 10% - 20%reduction in speed this weekend. Just my personal estimate. I did not use any kind of metering software. No worse then its been in the past. If your right, this might have been a test run. But more likely the Tor network is getting a lot of PR and people are trying it

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread mirimir
On 09/03/2013 03:35 PM, adrelanos wrote: > New hypothesis: > This is an attempt to shut down the Tor network once and forever. > > Might this be an attack on the Tor network with the goal to make it that > slow for everyone, that no one will use it anymore? (DDOS) > > Doing this using a botnet a

Re: [tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread mirimir
On 09/03/2013 06:34 PM, Roman Mamedov wrote: > With the influx of "popularity" that Tor now sees, we need a way to figure out > who/what are all these new "users" and what are they actually doing. If this is a botnet, it's likely that slaves, for the most part, are just visiting C&C hidden servic

[tor-talk] Exit node stats collection?

2013-09-03 Thread Roman Mamedov
Hello, With the influx of "popularity" that Tor now sees, we need a way to figure out who/what are all these new "users" and what are they actually doing. Maybe this has been proposed or considered before, but... Why not make all exit nodes collect e.g. stats about top 10 most actively requested

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread Sebastian G.
03.09.2013 17:35, adrelanos: > New hypothesis: > This is an attempt to shut down the Tor network once and forever. > > [...] Beside an existing botnet that now makes use of Tor (rising clients due to updates) or a new botnet (new infections increase the number of the clients) that includes Tor th

Re: [tor-talk] Roger's status report, August 2013

2013-09-03 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 05:17:49PM +0100, Graham Todd wrote: > Until this year, I was a student at the University of Kent, and you can > find the at: > > http://www.kent.ac.uk > > where I know some members of the Computer Science Laboratory were very > interested in Tor, which was the reason I go

Re: [tor-talk] New paper : Users Get Routed: Traffic Correlation on Tor by Realistic Adversaries

2013-09-03 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 03:22:33PM +, adrelanos wrote: > Roger Dingledine: > > And we really should raise the guard rotation period. If you > > do their compromise graphs again with guards rotated every nine months, > > they look way different." > > TBB releases are more frequent than every ni

Re: [tor-talk] Roger's status report, August 2013

2013-09-03 Thread Graham Todd
>Six things I did in August 2013 Roger, Until this year, I was a student at the University of Kent, and you can find the at: http://www.kent.ac.uk where I know some members of the Computer Science Laboratory were very interested in Tor, which was the reason I got switched on to the project. Th

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread adrelanos
New hypothesis: This is an attempt to shut down the Tor network once and forever. Might this be an attack on the Tor network with the goal to make it that slow for everyone, that no one will use it anymore? (DDOS) Doing this using a botnet and only taking up a portion of their individual botnet m

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-03 Thread Jens Kubieziel
* Collin Anderson schrieb am 2013-08-30 um 18:36 Uhr: > worked my way back elsewhere, IRC and Twitter. A few of these prospects > could be reasonably addressed through the trends of the top fifty > countries, illustrated here: http://cda.io/r/tor_mystery_2013.png How is this image different from t

Re: [tor-talk] Contents of PirateBrowser 0.6b

2013-09-03 Thread Mike Cardwell
* on the Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 03:45:53PM -0700, Gordon Morehouse wrote: >> Are these guys sponsoring any Servers? Kinda rude if they are >> not. > Absolutely. I hope they are, but if they were, you'd kinda think > they'd probably have told somebody. So I'm assuming not. Did anyone think to a

[tor-talk] Roger's status report, August 2013

2013-09-03 Thread Roger Dingledine
Six things I did in August 2013: 1) Wrote a security advisory for the "Old Tor Browser Bundles vulnerable" issue: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-announce/2013-August/89.html and then posted it to the blog and helped to manage the confusion there (700+ comments!) https://blog.torpro