Re: [tor-talk] Tor blacklist

2013-08-07 Thread Damian Johnson
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:09 PM, LEE wrote: > I found that there is a blacklist in Tor system > > I guess blacklist is like prison of onion routers. in other world, if > Tor system detect some onion router runs > > abnormally, Tor system put that router in blacklist and never use again. > > Is this

Re: [tor-talk] Tor blacklist

2013-08-07 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM, LEE wrote: > I found that there is a blacklist in Tor system > > I guess blacklist is like prison of onion routers. in other world, if > Tor system detect some onion router runs > > abnormally, Tor system put that router in blacklist and never use again. > > Is this

[tor-talk] Tor blacklist

2013-08-07 Thread LEE
I found that there is a blacklist in Tor system I guess blacklist is like prison of onion routers. in other world, if Tor system detect some onion router runs abnormally, Tor system put that router in blacklist and never use again. Is this true? who manages the blacklist? Once some onion rout

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread mirimir
On 08/07/2013 08:05 PM, Ralf-Philipp Weinmann wrote: > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: > >>> Using Tor protects you against a common form of Internet >>> surveillance known as "traffic analysis." >> >> It doesn't, since Microsoft can survey all outgoing and incoming >> traff

Re: [tor-talk] Crypto used by Tor

2013-08-07 Thread Watson Ladd
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > What encryption does the onion routing use? I cannot seem to find the > answer to this anywhere. > Use the Spec Luke! https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git?a=blob_plain;hb=HEAD;f=tor-spec.txt > > Thanks in advance > ---

[tor-talk] Torbutton

2013-08-07 Thread Graham Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Running Tor on Trisquel Linux 6.0, with Vidalia Version 0.2.21 (which I assume is the latest one) running, from the Tor Bundle, my Torbutton in the Tor Bowser is shown with a red X on it. I assume this means that Torbutton is disabled, while the green

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread Martijn Grooten
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: What I am talking about is a trivial attack, technically trivial. The feds (at least in US and in Russia) have a complete list of unpatched Windows vulnerabilities. They also have crackers on staff. They don't have "a complete list", but they have many

[tor-talk] Crypto used by Tor

2013-08-07 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
What encryption does the onion routing use? I cannot seem to find the answer to this anywhere. Thanks in advance A: Because it breaks the logical flow of discussion. Q: Why is top posting bad? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- tor-ta

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread z0rc
Have you heard of this? http://www.zdnet.com/nsa-spying-trust-the-pki-or-its-anarchy-on-the-internet-718946/ Cheers Damian On 07/08/13 23:18, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: I don't need to cite references, and I don't need to provide proof. I am not judging Microsoft here, but pointing out a secur

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread Blibbet
On the contrary, Microsoft has the capability to survey all Windows-powered TOR nodes and make a complete table of who is hosting what. As Tor's usability increases, it will attract more users, which will increase the possible sources and destinations of each communication, thus increasing sec

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread Ivan Zaigralin
I don't need to cite references, and I don't need to provide proof. I am not judging Microsoft here, but pointing out a security risk factor. TOR Projects spent so much time analyzing detected and imagined attack patterns and defending against them, DNS resolution being a great example. And all thi

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread Antispam 06
On 07.08.2013 21:06, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: It doesn't, since Microsoft can survey all outgoing and incoming traffic in plain text. References please. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mai

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread Ivan Zaigralin
You want evidence? Are you serious? You are telling me you fully trust Microsoft by default, until you are given evidence to their concrete wrongdoing? A built-in backdoor is quite likely, since no one believes they will be prosecuted after the SONY rootkit fallout. But we don't have to wage on th

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread Geoff Down
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013, at 06:21 PM, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: >Both MS Windows and OS X can be safely assumed to > spy on > all actions taken by users, Evidence? -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or c

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread Ralf-Philipp Weinmann
On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: >> Using Tor protects you against a common form of Internet surveillance known >> as "traffic analysis." > > It doesn't, since Microsoft can survey all outgoing and incoming > traffic in plain text. > >> Tor also makes it possible for users to h

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread Ivan Zaigralin
Since I couldn't find an official list of design goals for TOR, I assumed that it is primarily intended to do whatever the project claims it can do. If you can point me in the direction of an existing list, I'll gladly analyze it as well. I will use MS Windows as an example, but it goes for any no

Re: [tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread Lunar
Ivan Zaigralin: > I think that TOR developers are making a grave mistake by providing the TOR > bundle for platforms which are not only insecure by design, but are outright > hostile to the user. Both MS Windows and OS X can be safely assumed to spy on > all actions taken by users, and so TOR proje

Re: [tor-talk] about get new ID

2013-08-07 Thread Carlos Manuel Trepeu Pupo
About this topic, there are a lot of documentation that I just find with a lot a new stuff. I found the solution in this URL: http://hintdesk.com/tor-how-to-install-for-specific-country-and-reset-identity-with-c/ using C# I solve my problem. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Carlos Manuel Trepeu Pu

[tor-talk] TOR bundle on hostile platforms: why?

2013-08-07 Thread Ivan Zaigralin
A recent discussion on Slashdot compelled me to make a suggestion for the TOR community. Please forgive me if I come across sounding too harsh: this is only because I am attempting to critique a very large part of what the project is doing. At any rate, I have no personal stake in the way TOR is de

Re: [tor-talk] Javascript vs privacy?

2013-08-07 Thread mick
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:38:31 + adrelanos allegedly wrote: > > Generally a good idea... Once concern. > > What about the claim, if The Tor Project had an auto updater, they > could get gag ordered to ship a backdoor (to specific users). Is > there any legal base for that or is that only specu

Re: [tor-talk] Verifying Tor packages.

2013-08-07 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 02:32:47PM +0200, Frithjof wrote: > Neither sha1 sums, nor PGP signatures depend on the file > name of the file to be verified. This allows some kind of replay > attack: If I can get a user to download from my side, I could choose > an old version of the TBB with some known

Re: [tor-talk] Tor security advisory: Old Tor Browser Bundles vulnerable

2013-08-07 Thread Bry8 Star
Response is below, in-between. Received from scarp, on 2013-08-07 4:44 AM: > Bry8 Star: >> In my opinion, > >> After installing TBB (Tor Browser Bundle), users should disable JS >> (JavaScript) by default, and enable JS, ONLY when visiting a >> website and if the user must have to, to view a ver

Re: [tor-talk] Javascript vs privacy?

2013-08-07 Thread Andreas Krey
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:38:31 +, adrelanos wrote: > scarp: > > It is inappropriate for a web browser to not be automatically updated. > > Generally a good idea... Once concern. > > What about the claim, if The Tor Project had an auto updater, they could > get gag ordered to ship a backdoor (to

Re: [tor-talk] Javascript vs privacy?

2013-08-07 Thread adrelanos
scarp: > It is inappropriate for a web browser to not be automatically updated. Generally a good idea... Once concern. What about the claim, if The Tor Project had an auto updater, they could get gag ordered to ship a backdoor (to specific users). Is there any legal base for that or is that only

[tor-talk] about get new ID

2013-08-07 Thread Carlos Manuel Trepeu Pupo
Hi ! I read all the documentation I found and I can't find anything about to obtain new ID (IP). I see how vidalia can get new ID everytime they want, I guess the software are sending some signal to the TOR.exe. Can you help me guys to know what command o what I need to do that ? Thanks, best reg

[tor-talk] Verifying Tor packages.

2013-08-07 Thread Frithjof
A short note about verifying PGP signatures when upgrading Tor packages; I hope this is the right place for this. This is probably well known, but I didn't find any mention on the documentation. Neither sha1 sums, nor PGP signatures depend on the file name of the file to be verified. This allows

Re: [tor-talk] Tor security advisory: Old Tor Browser Bundles vulnerable

2013-08-07 Thread scarp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Bry8 Star: > In my opinion, > > After installing TBB (Tor Browser Bundle), users should disable JS > (JavaScript) by default, and enable JS, ONLY when visiting a > website and if the user must have to, to view a very specific > portion. > > TBB by

Re: [tor-talk] Javascript vs privacy?

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Syverson
On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 09:28:17AM +0200, Jon Tullett wrote: > On 6 August 2013 16:31, Lunar wrote: [snip] > > > > Jon Tullett: > >> My understanding is that NoScript shipped disabled in the TBB > > [snip] > > Sometimes it's a pain, as you say, but that's a compromise I make > knowingly and willi

Re: [tor-talk] Tor security advisory: Old Tor Browser Bundles vulnerable

2013-08-07 Thread Bry8 Star
In my opinion, After installing TBB (Tor Browser Bundle), users should disable JS (JavaScript) by default, and enable JS, ONLY when visiting a website and if the user must have to, to view a very specific portion. TBB by default keeps "Script Globally Allowed" option ENABLED or selected, inside "

Re: [tor-talk] Javascript vs privacy?

2013-08-07 Thread scarp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I understand that JavaScript was enabled globally in the Tor Browser Bundle for usability reasons as well as to prevent browser fingerprinting. I believe this is the correct decision. If the torproject were to disable it by default, that would not e

Re: [tor-talk] Javascript vs privacy?

2013-08-07 Thread Jon Tullett
On 7 August 2013 09:46, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 09:28:17AM +0200, Jon Tullett wrote: >> is there scope for better communicating to a user >> (such as in the Tor browser homepage) that JS is enabled to improve >> their browsing experience and enhance privacy, but it may o

Re: [tor-talk] Javascript vs privacy?

2013-08-07 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 09:28:17AM +0200, Jon Tullett wrote: > is there scope for better communicating to a user > (such as in the Tor browser homepage) that JS is enabled to improve > their browsing experience and enhance privacy, but it may open them to > (another) attack and here's how it can b

Re: [tor-talk] Javascript vs privacy?

2013-08-07 Thread Jon Tullett
On 6 August 2013 16:31, Lunar wrote: > Hi Jon, > > A few of your assumptions look incorrect. Here's some of my > understandings. Thanks Lunar, appreciate the input. You raise good points. > > Jon Tullett: >> My understanding is that NoScript shipped disabled in the TBB > > NoScript itself is ena