[tor-talk] Hidden services mostly contains legal content

Hi all, I wrote a blog post about the content published in the Tor network: http://torrorists.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/tor-network-provides-almost-only-legal-content/ According to the ahmia.fi's monitoring there are only few sites that have possibly shared child porn. Regards, Juha Nurmi / ahmi

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 05:22:26PM +, adrelanos wrote: > At the moment most techies just don't believe or can't imagine that > anyone has more difficulties using a mailing list compared to a forum. I very much doubt that. It's just that mailing lists/IRC work well for us, and browser-based

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi Warren, It's now clear to me you're a troll, or at least very dense and obtuse. Go back under your bridge, you will never get another response from me. Why don't you go be disingenuous elsewhere? If you're so new to Tor, why don't you build up some cred before telling me what to do? As I've

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On Jun 18, 2013, at 1:50 PM, mirimir wrote: > On 06/18/2013 06:40 PM, Warren Michelsen wrote: > >> But do explain how email is a barrier to newbs. > > Imagine that you're a new Tor user, with a question that's not addressed > on the Tor Project website. > > How would you search tor-talk archiv

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On Jun 18, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Cat S wrote: > > The "barriers to newbs" e.g. is that using mailing-lists is not easy for > newbs, I've had newbs try this and none of them thought it was simple or fun, > they all complied about the complexity and that it's "not simple" [0]. > > Barrier example

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi Webmaster, From: Webmaster To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE On 06/18/2013 05:42 PM, Cat S wrote: > Hi Webmaster, >

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

If you think noobs aren't intimidated by and will use mailing-lists, you've probably been in the tech scene for a very long time. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Webmaster wrote: > On 06/18/2013 05:42 PM, Cat S wrote: > >> Hi Webmaster, >> >> >> __**__ >> From: Web

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On 06/18/2013 05:42 PM, Cat S wrote: Hi Webmaster, From: Webmaster To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE On a side note

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi Webmaster, From: Webmaster To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE On a side note.  Your email title quote "That evey1 can

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On 06/18/2013 06:40 PM, Warren Michelsen wrote: > But do explain how email is a barrier to newbs. Imagine that you're a new Tor user, with a question that's not addressed on the Tor Project website. How would you search tor-talk archives? ___ tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On 06/18/2013 05:35 PM, Kai Childheart wrote: > Speaking of which...how does one 'quit' said mailing list? Back in the day, many mailing lists included unsubscribe links, or even brief instructions, in message footers. But some subscribers still asked how to quit ;) SNIP ___

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hello, Id like to add to this discussion as a personal aside. When I started using Tor I was a "newb" as it were, with computers. The few things I knew about the internet was Email and Google. Thats all I needed. When I went looking for information on TOR the first place I ended up was the

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On 06/18/2013 04:01 PM, adrelanos wrote: SNIP > In a forum, its contents advertise itself and they get well indexed by > search engines. Things are sorted by topics. For a mailing list you have > to click on archives to see if people are using it at all and about what > kind of topics they are ta

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi Low-Key^2 From: Low-Key² Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE - Original Message - From: Cat S > In this case I think the "grandma test" is in

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On a side note. Your email title quote "That evey1 can use"I think thats is a great goal..but may never be achievable. Your asking for a process which everyone can use. Where everyone is comfortable. Being as some people prefer email over forums, and some forums over email.. as well as

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi David, From: David Vorick To: "tor-talk@lists.torproject.org" Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE I can only speak for myself, but I stayed away from

[tor-talk] Tor 0.2.4.14-alpha is out

Hi, everybody! Usually, Roger sends these announcements out, but he's away from the internet this week, and I thought it was a good idea to get this one out soon, given the discussion in the last thread on this list. For obvious reasons, it'll be signed with my GPG key, not Roger's. I don't do r

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi krishna, From: adrelanos To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE krishna e bera: > Why dont we encourage the fellow who i

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi Warren, From: Warren Michelsen To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Cat S wrote: > > I

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

- Original Message - From: Cat S > In this case I think the "grandma test" is in order. That is, can a > grandmother > easily use the tor-talk mailing-list to get help with Tor? Both my parents are grandparents and would qualify as technologically inept.  These are people who hav

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

krishna e bera: > Why dont we encourage the fellow who is doing a serious usability study > on Tor software to apply his expertise to this topic since it affects > Tor users? Good idea. Can you write a friendly mail please and add cc here? ___ tor-talk m

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

I can only speak for myself, but I stayed away from mailing lists when I was a 'newb' because they seemed strange and technical. This is also back at a time when I did not use email very often. I think that how much you use email is closely related to how much you like mailing lists. As someone wh

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Why dont we encourage the fellow who is doing a serious usability study on Tor software to apply his expertise to this topic since it affects Tor users? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torp

Re: [tor-talk] Are non-official projects welcome to Stackexchange Tor Q&A forum?

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:23 PM, adrelanos wrote: > Hi! > > Short version: > > Can I redirect Whonix users to Stackexchange Tor Q&A forum? > > Long version: > > There are many Tor related projects, which are non-official, such as > Whonix, Liberte Linux, TorChat, etc. > > Can non-official projects

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Cat S wrote: > > I don't want to re-hash _years_ old debates, please read the bug report links > and other links I posted to old tor-talk threads. Bug reports? Email bug reports? Tor bug reports? > That will explain why I and many others feel there should be an of

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi Kai, From: Kai Childheart To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE Speaking of which...how does one 'quit' said mailing li

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi adrelanos, From: adrelanos To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE Cat S: > I don't want to re-hash _years_ old debates,

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi Low-Key^2, From: Low-Key² Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE - Original Message - From: Warren Michelsen > I'm not sure where you're coming

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Speaking of which...how does one 'quit' said mailing list? On 18 June 2013 01:14, Cat S wrote: > Hi all, > > This mailing-list is a stupid fucking joke, well, at least for those of us > who aren't techies. Really, this is stupid, you're not allowing a lot of > people to community by using this

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Cat S: > I don't want to re-hash _years_ old debates, please read the bug > report links and other links I posted to old tor-talk threads. That > will explain why I and many others feel there should be an official > Tor forum. > > TL;DR: Newbs won't use mailing-lists; mailing-lists are a entry > b

Re: [tor-talk] [liberationtech] Help Testing & Compare the new vs old Tor Browser Bundle Project

Hi, On 18.06.2013 17:50, Randolph D. wrote:> old Version: > https://sourceforge.net/projects/torbrowser/ This is not an "old version". It was never official, and the author has no interest in talking to the Tor developer team, or writing a detailed spec such as https://www.torproject.org/projects

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi Warren, From: Warren Michelsen To: "tor-talk@lists.torproject.org" Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE On Jun 17, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Cat S wrote: > Th

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

- Original Message - From: Warren Michelsen > I'm not sure where you're coming from. Why can't non-techies use email?!? > How is this mailing list preventing a lot of people from communicating? Thank you.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this allegation is unfounded.  Non-t

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:08 PM, adrelanos wrote: > > [...] > > > > AFAIK, there's no such solution at present, at least for something which > > would effectively implement a mailing list allowing for active > > participation and even moderation from the email side of things. But it > > sounds do

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Kostas Jakeliunas: > Totally out of the blue, but if there were a forum which also had a simple > way of subscribing to threads and sub-forums so that one could receive > emails and *respond* by replying to the special email address used for > relaying them the message, would that be something wort

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Warren Michelsen: > On Jun 17, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Cat S wrote: > >> This mailing-list is a stupid fucking joke, well, at least for >> those of us who aren't techies. Really, this is stupid, you're not >> allowing a lot of people to community by using this Ivory tower >> mailing-list crap. > > Per

[tor-talk] Help Testing & Compare the new vs old Tor Browser Bundle Project

Hi any help for the details in the comparison of Tor Browser Bundle old Version: https://sourceforge.net/projects/torbrowser/ new Version: https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/tbb-3.0alpha1-builds/official/ I think the new one looks great, I just searched for the Start and Stop button. It

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On Jun 17, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Cat S wrote: > This mailing-list is a stupid fucking joke, well, at least for those of us > who aren't techies. Really, this is stupid, you're not allowing a lot of > people to community by using this Ivory tower mailing-list crap. Personally, I've only recently be

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 07:24:58PM +0600, Roman Mamedov wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:36:50 +0200 > Eugen Leitl wrote: > > > Why not FB or G+, or whatever. > > Well for one, because it will be kind of hilarious when you won't be able > to use the Tor forum/group/circle/whatever _via Tor_. The

Re: [tor-talk] "Torifier" for Windows

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > > On 6/17/13 9:32 PM, Nick Mathewson wrote: >> >> >> Also, its API hooking system is based on the ubiquitous ZDisasm.c >> file written by Z0MBiE, who to the best of my knowledge never actually >> put a license on it. So it might

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:36:50 +0200 Eugen Leitl wrote: > Why not FB or G+, or whatever. Well for one, because it will be kind of hilarious when you won't be able to use the Tor forum/group/circle/whatever _via Tor_. Google already does hassle Tor users with their constant captchas in the search

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Hi all, I must agree with that... Install a fucking web forum !! It's worth 1 to 10 hours of work... !!! 2013/6/18 Cat S > Hi all, > > This mailing-list is a stupid fucking joke, well, at least for those of us > who aren't techies. Really, this is stupid, you're not allowing a lot of > people

Re: [tor-talk] E-Mail delays // Re: Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:14:24AM +0600, Roman Mamedov wrote: > That said however I don't see a 10 minute delay as a terrible problem, E-Mail > is > not a real-time medium anyway. It can be. If it's set up right. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lis

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 06:51:05PM -0700, Cat S wrote: > 2. This e-mail you wrote only very recently appeared in my Yahoo! inbox, and > I refresh every couple of minutes. Your second e-mail that's up on Tor Talk > hasn't even arrived in my inbox yet. That's why I'm so pissed that Tor deiced > t

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

On 18.06.2013 10:27, Kostas Jakeliunas wrote: > Totally out of the blue, but if there were a forum which also had a simple > way of subscribing to threads and sub-forums so that one could receive > emails and *respond* by replying to the special email address used for > relaying them the message, w

Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

Totally out of the blue, but if there were a forum which also had a simple way of subscribing to threads and sub-forums so that one could receive emails and *respond* by replying to the special email address used for relaying them the message, would that be something worth considering? (Perhaps it'

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle 3.0alpha1 test builds

2013/6/18 Cat S > Hi Mike, > > > > From: Mike Perry > To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle 3.0alpha1 test builds > > > Andreas Krey: > > On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:39:31 +, Mike Perr