Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Griffin Boyce
Alex M (Coyo) wrote: > I must have somehow missed it. > > I would really appreciate a link. I cannot seem to find it on my own. > > Thank you in advance. Here are the common ways: roll a bunch of bridges using Amazon's cloud [1], have friends/allies/interesting frenemies run bridges using Vida

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Seth David Schoen
Alex M (Coyo) writes: > It concerns me that you [Mike Perry] refer to "we" as though you > contribute anything to the tor project. https://gitweb.torproject.org/ https://www.torproject.org/torbutton/en/design/index.html.en https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser/design/ https://gitweb.torp

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Alex M (Coyo) (c...@darkdna.net): > On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: > >If you have a specific list of design flaws that aren't couched in > >long rants, we can perhaps help instruct you on how you might > >solve them in your redesign with Mr Disney, or at least point you > >to

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: If you have a specific list of design flaws that aren't couched in long rants, we can perhaps help instruct you on how you might solve them in your redesign with Mr Disney, or at least point you toward some tickets you two should read and follow during

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote: Otherwise, thanks for your concern/veiled threats/trolling. Because obviously criticism and actual concern for the well-being of a foss project is always trolling and threats. I hope you aren't a contributor. _

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Alex M (Coyo) (c...@darkdna.net): > >P.S. If you're annoyed by this flippant response, it was given because > >your rant is basically a long series of FAQs. There are ways to fix your > >concerns but they require development effort, and in fact many of them > >(including custom pluggabl

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
That would be lovely, since I am not a coder. I can barely code proofs-of-concept in python as prototypes for demonstrative purposes. Competent C/C++ coders would be much appreciated. Thank you for the offer to contribute. On 04/12/2013 11:40 PM, Gregory Disney wrote: I'm down to help with

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/12/2013 11:01 PM, adrelanos wrote: Griffin Boyce: There's really nothing keeping you from making a private bridge network. The documentation's all there. Indeed. One can even make its own (private) Tor network. It will require a considerable amount of learning, though. It would be inte

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Gregory Disney
I'm down to help with the rebuild. On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Alex M (Coyo) wrote: > On 04/12/2013 11:01 PM, adrelanos wrote: > >> Griffin Boyce: >> >>> There's really nothing keeping you from making a private bridge network. >>> The documentation's all there. >>> >> Indeed. One can ev

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/12/2013 11:01 PM, adrelanos wrote: Griffin Boyce: There's really nothing keeping you from making a private bridge network. The documentation's all there. Indeed. One can even make its own (private) Tor network. It will require a considerable amount of learning, though. It would be inte

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/12/2013 10:47 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Alex M (Coyo) wrote: Is Tor ever going to include support for isolated, independent bridge relay communities that can host their own bridge directory authorities without relying on the centralized tor directory hosted by Peter Palfrader, Jacob Appel

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/12/2013 10:37 PM, adrelanos wrote: Hi Alex, these are interesting thoughts. I wrote something related a while ago. Tor: lobbies vs lobbies - Who will prevail?: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2012-August/025109.html Alex M (Coyo): Is Tor ever going to include support for

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
On 04/12/2013 10:27 PM, Mike Perry wrote: Cool story bro. I know. We're worried about these things too, I guess. I believe it. I'm in the market for a bridge, if you'll sell one to me. I mean, if killing us all is really the best way to stop Tor, then I would submit to you that Tor is u

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread adrelanos
Griffin Boyce: > There's really nothing keeping you from making a private bridge network. > The documentation's all there. Indeed. One can even make its own (private) Tor network. It will require a considerable amount of learning, though. It would be interesting to see several competing Tor netw

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Griffin Boyce
Alex M (Coyo) wrote: > Is Tor ever going to include support for isolated, independent bridge > relay communities that can host their own bridge directory authorities > without relying on the centralized tor directory hosted by Peter Palfrader, > Jacob Appelbaum and associates? > > Don't say I d

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread adrelanos
Hi Alex, these are interesting thoughts. I wrote something related a while ago. Tor: lobbies vs lobbies - Who will prevail?: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2012-August/025109.html Alex M (Coyo): > Is Tor ever going to include support for isolated, independent bridge > relay comm

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Mike Perry
Cool story bro. We're worried about these things too, I guess. I mean, if killing us all is really the best way to stop Tor, then I would submit to you that Tor is unstoppable. After all, network engineers are basically throwaway commodities to the mexican mafia: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2

[tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

2013-04-12 Thread Alex M (Coyo)
Is Tor ever going to include support for isolated, independent bridge relay communities that can host their own bridge directory authorities without relying on the centralized tor directory hosted by Peter Palfrader, Jacob Appelbaum and associates? From lurking here on the mailing lists and ot

Re: [tor-talk] Hi, does Nintendo block Tor. I can't reach Nintendo

2013-04-12 Thread Nate Homier
On 04/12/2013 11:33 AM, Nate Homier wrote: > I run a relay on the same computer that I use to surf the web. I run > into websites all the time that don't work because I think they block > Tor (so I don't do business with them). So I'm asking can anyone else > access Nintendo from Tor. My relay i

Re: [tor-talk] [Tails-dev] secure and simple network time (hack)

2013-04-12 Thread Matthew Finkel
I don't really understand your reservation about this project. It's reasonable to want authenticated time to a non-webserver of ones choice. Depending on your environment, tlsdate is complementary to the various other programs. You can (and will) use whatever you decide fits your needs, but please

Re: [tor-talk] NSA supercomputer

2013-04-12 Thread grarpamp
> infrastructure for supercomputing is immense, and very visible in the > sense of taking up a lot of space as well as power requirements. > Those facilities would stick out a country mile, and should be fairly > easy to spot, leading to more focused speculation if nothing else. > > I read in a cou

[tor-talk] Hi, does Nintendo block Tor. I can't reach Nintendo

2013-04-12 Thread Nate Homier
I run a relay on the same computer that I use to surf the web. I run into websites all the time that don't work because I think they block Tor (so I don't do business with them). So I'm asking can anyone else access Nintendo from Tor. My relay is MontanaBlueSky at 184.166.103.9. Try accessing N

Re: [tor-talk] [Tails-dev] secure and simple network time (hack)

2013-04-12 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Elly Jones: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 02:43:13PM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >>> Allow me to be very explicit: it is harder to parse an HTTP Date header >>> than properly than casting a 32bit integer and flipping their order. The >>> atta

Re: [tor-talk] secure and simple network time (hack)

2013-04-12 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
adrelanos: > Why was tlsdate written in C? There are a few reasons: The first prototype was in Python (patching tlslite) however, I wanted it to be portable without patching libraries Jailing and/or sandboxing is easier without a system wide interpreter eg: Python Droppings privileg

Re: [tor-talk] [Tails-dev] secure and simple network time (hack)

2013-04-12 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> Allow me to be very explicit: it is harder to parse an HTTP Date header >> than properly than casting a 32bit integer and flipping their order. The >> attack surface is very small and easy to audit. > > Just discovered t

Re: [tor-talk] geoip6

2013-04-12 Thread eli
Thanks for the clear explanation, it makes perfect sense. - eliaz On 4/12/2013 7:13 AM, Justin Aplin wrote: > On 4/12/2013 2:09 AM, el...@riseup.net wrote: >> Can someone tell me if I have to do something about geoip6 warnings? >> >> I've got a bridge relay running from a vista x64 machine. As wit

Re: [tor-talk] Tor communities at OHM2013 Hacker Camp

2013-04-12 Thread Micah Lee
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:12:21 -0400 Griffin Boyce wrote: > Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > are there some plan for a gathering of Tor community and related at > > OHM2013 http://ohm2013.org this summer? > > > > -naif > > > > I plan to be at OHM, and would be up for marshm

Re: [tor-talk] secure and simple network time (hack)

2013-04-12 Thread adrelanos
Why was tlsdate written in C? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] secure and simple network time (hack)

2013-04-12 Thread Elly Jones
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:29:10AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Elly Fong-Jones wrote: > > Our integration code is here: > >

Re: [tor-talk] [Tails-dev] secure and simple network time (hack)

2013-04-12 Thread Elly Jones
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 02:43:13PM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > Allow me to be very explicit: it is harder to parse an HTTP Date header > > than properly than casting a 32bit integer and flipping their order. The > > attack surface is v

Re: [tor-talk] Tor communities at OHM2013 Hacker Camp

2013-04-12 Thread Griffin Boyce
Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > Hi all, > > are there some plan for a gathering of Tor community and related at > OHM2013 http://ohm2013.org this summer? > > -naif > I plan to be at OHM, and would be up for marshmallow roasting =) ~Griffin ___ tor-

[tor-talk] Tor communities at OHM2013 Hacker Camp

2013-04-12 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Hi all, are there some plan for a gathering of Tor community and related at OHM2013 http://ohm2013.org this summer? -naif ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] [Tails-dev] secure and simple network time (hack)

2013-04-12 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > Allow me to be very explicit: it is harder to parse an HTTP Date header > than properly than casting a 32bit integer and flipping their order. The > attack surface is very small and easy to audit. Just discovered that tlsdated in tlsdate-0

[tor-talk] VPN->TOR check

2013-04-12 Thread Aimee Little
Hello, Is there any way to check if my traffic through TOR Browser (and torbirdy) goes through VPN first and after through TOR? I have the VPN client (OpenVPN/Linux) working and fine. I first start the VPN connection and after that I open TOR Browser. Because TOR service is already started (at th

Re: [tor-talk] geoip6

2013-04-12 Thread Justin Aplin
On 4/12/2013 2:09 AM, el...@riseup.net wrote: Can someone tell me if I have to do something about geoip6 warnings? I've got a bridge relay running from a vista x64 machine. As with the past few TBB versions I'm still getting occasional message-log warnings: "Failed to open GEOIP file C:\Users\,