Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread Julian Yon
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:35:40 -0600 Joe Btfsplk wrote: > > Further, adblocker filter choices are fingerprintable. > I'm only using AdBlock as an example. But in reality, if 90% of all > TBB > - English users had [something like] AdBlock & they all used > [something like] either "Easy List" or "F

Re: [tor-talk] Denied with disposable/free mail services?

2012-11-07 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 11/5/2012 3:45 PM, grarpamp wrote: I wanted to survey peoples experiences with denials keyed to attempted use of particular mail service providers. What are the trends or characteristics here? I'm more interested in experiences with regular full (IMAP/POP/SMTP/HTTP) yet free mail services b

Re: [tor-talk] Can Tor users be tracked?

2012-11-07 Thread Nam Su
2012. 11. 8. AM 2:33 adrelanos wrote: > Nam Su: >> >> >> 2012. 11. 8. AM 1:31 adrelanos wrote: >> >>> Nam Su: Hello. I saw a blog post in Internet. It says the government >>> >>> Not only government. >> Does ISP can track Tor users? >> >>> can track Tor user with plugin like a

Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 11/7/2012 10:27 AM, Julian Yon wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:14:25 + adrelanos wrote: Aside from my thoughts on advertising as an adversary, I do think that the load on the network and associated slowdown is a problem. I only run a relay on and off but I do wonder how much of my bandwid

Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 11/6/2012 4:44 PM, Mike Perry wrote: I am deeply opposed to shipping an always-on universal adblocker with the default TBB. I think it would be political suicide in terms of accomplishing our goals with acceptance of Tor users by sites, lobbying for private browsing origin changes, and convin

Re: [tor-talk] DoS and TOR?

2012-11-07 Thread gijsje
A slowloris attack is able to run through the Tor network if target server is vulnerable. The attack is based on consuming sockets by being really slow and keeping sockets open. It wouldn't criple the tor network. However any sensible sys admin would be able to either block all tor exits orse

Re: [tor-talk] DoS and TOR?

2012-11-07 Thread Chris Smart
thanks Roger. :) At 03:39 PM 11/7/2012, you wrote: On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 03:35:38PM -0500, Chris Smart wrote: > Hi folks. > > Disclaimer: The following question refers to website testing, > vulnerability identification etc. > > Please bare in mind that I am an end user and not very knowled

Re: [tor-talk] DoS and TOR?

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 03:35:38PM -0500, Chris Smart wrote: > Hi folks. > > Disclaimer: The following question refers to website testing, > vulnerability identification etc. > > Please bare in mind that I am an end user and not very knowledgeable > about internet security or so-called "white hat

[tor-talk] DoS and TOR?

2012-11-07 Thread Chris Smart
Hi folks. Disclaimer: The following question refers to website testing, vulnerability identification etc. Please bare in mind that I am an end user and not very knowledgeable about internet security or so-called "white hat" activity. While researching DoS activities, many people recommend

Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread Nathan Freitas
On 11/07/2012 05:52 PM, and...@torproject.is wrote: > I like https://www.requestpolicy.com/. Never request the 3rd party domains > in the first place. However, for most users, it makes the web unusable > because they don't understand how websites really work these days. As a Interesting.. was cons

Re: [tor-talk] Can Tor users be tracked?

2012-11-07 Thread Seth David Schoen
Nam Su writes: > 2012. 11. 8. AM 1:31 adrelanos wrote: > > > Nam Su: > >> Hello. I saw a blog post in Internet. It says the government > > > > Not only government. > Does ISP can track Tor users? ISPs can tell which users are using Tor (unless the users use particular technologies that prevent

Re: [tor-talk] Can Tor users be tracked?

2012-11-07 Thread adrelanos
Nam Su: > > > 2012. 11. 8. AM 1:31 adrelanos wrote: > >> Nam Su: >>> Hello. I saw a blog post in Internet. It says the government >> >> Not only government. > Does ISP can track Tor users? > >> >>> can track Tor user with plugin like active-x and javascript. Is it true? >> >> Active-X / Flash:

Re: [tor-talk] Can Tor users be tracked?

2012-11-07 Thread Nam Su
2012. 11. 8. AM 1:31 adrelanos wrote: > Nam Su: >> Hello. I saw a blog post in Internet. It says the government > > Not only government. Does ISP can track Tor users? > >> can track Tor user with plugin like active-x and javascript. Is it true? > > Active-X / Flash: > - Unless special setup

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-07 Thread adrelanos
Maybe a bit late, but what about proxychains? https://sourceforge.net/projects/proxychains/forums/forum/644747 https://sourceforge.net/projects/proxychains/ https://github.com/rofl0r/proxychains Looks a bit better maintained. Haven't found a big issue tracker, doesn't mean there aren't many (more

Re: [tor-talk] Can Tor users be tracked?

2012-11-07 Thread adrelanos
Nam Su: > Hello. I saw a blog post in Internet. It says the government Not only government. > can track Tor user with plugin like active-x and javascript. Is it true? Active-X / Flash: - Unless special setups are used, yes. It can establish direct connections and circumvent the proxy. Javascrip

Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread Julian Yon
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:14:25 + adrelanos wrote: > Will TBB due to ads ever be that slow that the anonymity given by Tor > and browser fingerprinting defense (TBB) alone just don't make it? If > yes, they will probable go the "web cleaning way". Aside from my thoughts on advertising as an adv

[tor-talk] Can Tor users be tracked?

2012-11-07 Thread Nam Su
Hello. I saw a blog post in Internet. It says the government can track Tor user with plugin like active-x and javascript. Is it true? And what should I do not to be tracked? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproj

Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread adrelanos
Joe Btfsplk: > On 11/4/2012 5:45 AM, and...@torproject.is wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:06:50PM -0500, joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote >> 1.3K bytes in 26 lines about: >> : TBB is already slow, which is understandable. Using "stock" TBB >> : that allows ads & possibly other items increasing bandwi

Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread Julian Yon
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 06:44:20 +0100 Andreas Krey wrote: > Why should they? They have 99.9% of low-hanging fruit (non-tor users) > that they can go after easily; putting money on the 0.1% isn't > sensible at all for them. While the TLAs don't care for the majority > and don't want to be unable to ge

Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread Julian Yon
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 00:37:57 -0800 Mike Perry wrote: > I considered writing an in-depth reply questioning the distinction > between these "Global Adversary" third parties and the first parties > that would willingly collaborate with such third parties, but I think > in the interest of brevity, I'l

Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread andrew
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 12:37:57AM -0800, mikepe...@torproject.org wrote 3.3K bytes in 88 lines about: : If not, can you suggest an alternate, non-regex ablocker design that : would withstand such a threat? I like https://www.requestpolicy.com/. Never request the 3rd party domains in the first pl

Re: [tor-talk] Torbutton and Firefox 16.x.x.Incompatible.

2012-11-07 Thread Jérémy Bobbio
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 11:17:57PM +, luis redondo wrote: > When I install Torbutton on Firefox 16.x.x series Firefox no more > starts.It seems both are completely incompatible.With the 15.x.x > series no problem.Yes,I know I should probably be using the Tor > Browser Bundle,but,I do things the

Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 06:44:20AM +0100, Andreas Krey wrote: > at all for them. While the TLAs don't care for the majority and don't > want to be unable to get at the last few users. I think you're painting an idealized view of an intelligence agency. They have to file their reports, and there

Re: [tor-talk] ads slow Tor Browser dramatically

2012-11-07 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Julian Yon (jul...@yon.org.uk): > On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:44:37 -0800 > Mike Perry wrote: > > > I am deeply opposed to shipping an always-on universal adblocker with > > the default TBB. I think it would be political suicide in terms of > > accomplishing our goals with acceptance of Tor