Re: [tor-talk] Child pornography, anonymity and free speech

On 22. oktober 2012 at 3:41 AM, "Alec Harrington" wrote:Laws are made for the criminals of society because those who wouldn't do criminal activity anyway do not need the laws, and indeed do not usually suffer them until the time comes that someone/s demonstrate a need for them. So when people ar

Re: [tor-talk] Child pornography, anonymity and free speech

Alec Harrington: > Laws are made for the criminals of society because those who wouldn't > do criminal activity anyway do not need the laws, and indeed do not > usually suffer them until the time comes that someone/s demonstrate a > need for them. > That is really rich. That's for the civics prim

Re: [tor-talk] Child pornography, anonymity and free speech

Laws are made for the criminals of society because those who wouldn't do criminal activity anyway do not need the laws, and indeed do not usually suffer them until the time comes that someone/s demonstrate a need for them. So when people are doing things like spreading even animated child porn,

[tor-talk] Tor 0.2.4.4-alpha is out

Tor 0.2.4.4-alpha adds a new v3 directory authority, fixes a privacy vulnerability introduced by a change in OpenSSL, fixes a remotely triggerable assert, and adds new channel_t and circuitmux_t abstractions that will make it easier to test new connection transport and cell scheduling algorithms.

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

> Most of the icons >of sex I see in the newspaper stores (yes, in Europe they are in plain >view, only higher) are sick. Diformed bodies tweaked with lame Photoshop >skills. I guess tetraplegic sex is weird for most people, yet, most >models are excellent examples of plastic surgery gone wrong.

Re: [tor-talk] Child pornography, anonymity and free speech

Child pornography is illegal because the production itself involves actual victims. The laws date back to a time when it wasn't possible to produce CP without actual children. It therefore made sense that sale, distribution and possession of actual child pornography was made illegal, but the slipp

Re: [tor-talk] Child pornography, anonymity and free speech

There are better mailing lists for this discussion. On Oct 21, 2012 2:00 PM, wrote: > Julian wrote: > "* It's possible to wank without porn. We can reach places in our > imagination that no amount of “reality” can take us. In my > experience > an orgasm that starts in the mind is *much* more

Re: [tor-talk] Child pornography, anonymity and free speech

Julian wrote: "* It's possible to wank without porn. We can reach places in our imagination that no amount of “reality” can take us. In my experience an orgasm that starts in the mind is *much* more fulfilling than one involving porn. It's also possible to reach orgasm without wanking (i.e.

Re: [tor-talk] Child pornography, anonymity and free speech

On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 22:26:00 +0200 toro...@hushmail.com wrote: > And Julian and others are really missing the point if they assume > that the realistic nature of the depictions is the borderline between > permissible and impermissible speech. And you are missing the point if you think that I said

[tor-talk] please don't feed the trolls

We all know the internet was invented so people could exchange porn and pictures of their cats but I'm pretty sure that never in history has anybody changed their opinion about porn due to a well reasoned argument in a mailing list. -- A man in chains knows he should have acted sooner... Julian A

[tor-talk] Child pornography, anonymity and free speech

Child pornography is illegal because the production itself involves actual victims. The laws date back to a time when it wasn't possible to produce CP without actual children. It therefore made sense that sale, distribution and possession of actual child pornography was made illegal, but the slipp

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

Interesting discussion, the first point it occurs to me to make here after reading some of the points here is that whatever your personal feelings may be on the subject matter the fact is that it is a form of expression like any other and they have equal right to their expression as any other h

Re: [tor-talk] questioning tor circumvention

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." (Article 19, Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1948) On 21.10.2

Re: [tor-talk] questioning tor circumvention

We need all kinds of different users from every country in the world. I think the balance between the users and relay operators are related to each other. More users = more operators. And don't worry too much about the people of Iran. They don't need the west to overthrow dictatorship. As far as

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

Julian, thank you for speaking your mind. I am also disgusted by the term and whatever it is supposed to represent. I don't contribute to Tor, so some dude in Korea can watch youth being abused in the name of entertainment, where some see pleasure and fun, I see misery and suffering. --SiNA On O

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 07:39:41 -0700 Ted Smith wrote: > this entire conversation is vastly off-topic for this mailing list > and probably an existential threat to the Tor project, That was what I thought, but apparently that makes me pro-censorship. I admit to being successfully trolled, though. -

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

A few things to consider (some practical, some political): * It's possible to wank without porn. We can reach places in our imagination that no amount of “reality” can take us. In my experience an orgasm that starts in the mind is *much* more fulfilling than one involving porn. It's also poss

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

This seems similar to when Australia outlawed porn involving women with small breasts: Nobody is trying to support actual images of child abuse as far as I can tell in this thread. There are just some who think that anything th

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

Your idea has sound logic - but doesn't the current TBB support this use case? (Without attracting negative media attention?) If you are suggesting a Flash-enabled TBB to allow these youths to view videos, that could end badly - Flash can be used to deanonymize users. If said users are so oppress

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

Usually the geekier lists don't go this far off-topic ... At 04:14 AM 10/21/2012, you wrote: You dare to speak about the topic with your name attached. Respect man. Blatantly spoken, blatantly answered. This a nice idea. I got few questions for you. How could porn banned people send money t

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

That's a wonderful example why people need qualifications before starting into philosophy, just like with security, painting or roof fixing. Porn is a disgusting shortcut. Sex is wonderful. Sex is beautiful. And that beauty and that pleasure interfers with the total obeisance required by the major

[tor-talk] questioning tor circumvention

Curious... Why help censored people to circumvent? Whats the big deal? They are lechers. They just add load to the network... Will not host tor servers... Why give iran countries circumvention with tor? U.S. army and secret service wants to phone home from iran? Allow Iranian people to read wes

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

The tor homepage say Convince other people to use Tor, too! Please no wonder when Fabio starts the watch porn with tor campaign. > Fabio Pietrosanti (naif): >> [...] >> Imho we may think to create something like "Tor Porn Bundle": A version >> of TBB specifically designed to provide easy access t

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

Good answer. Gotta ask one more. > On 10/21/12 10:14 AM, fakef...@tormail.org wrote: >> You dare to speak about the topic with your name attached. Respect man. >> Blatantly spoken, blatantly answered. >> >> This a nice idea. I got few questions for you. >> >> How could porn banned people send mone

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

Fabio Pietrosanti (naif): > [...] > Imho we may think to create something like "Tor Porn Bundle": A version > of TBB specifically designed to provide easy access to Porn. Since the current TBB can display images I assume that watching videos is the goal of the Porn-TBB. There was the (unanswered

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

On 10/21/12 10:14 AM, fakef...@tormail.org wrote: > You dare to speak about the topic with your name attached. Respect man. > Blatantly spoken, blatantly answered. > > This a nice idea. I got few questions for you. > > How could porn banned people send money to porn industry when they cant > even r

Re: [tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

You dare to speak about the topic with your name attached. Respect man. Blatantly spoken, blatantly answered. This a nice idea. I got few questions for you. How could porn banned people send money to porn industry when they cant even reach porn websites without circumvention tool? Dont tell me ab

[tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

Hi, i've been at internet governance forum (in italy) yesterday and starteddiscussing a topic with several internet freedom/policy activists: "porn make the world more free" It seems a joke, but it maybe an important consideration. A teenager (12-18 yo) in 2012 use internet porn websites for ma

Re: [tor-talk] help us:Korean government started to fine netizen who download child pornography without child

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 07:34:48PM +, Lee Whitney wrote: > Eugen do you have children? Not attacking you based on this but I'm > curious how it affects perspective. > > In my mind it's pretty easy to drawn the line, things that have victims > should usually be illegal and things that are unpo