Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread Ted Smith
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 03:08 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Ted Smith wrote: > > Are we to believe that the Reddit commenter you're referencing wrote > > some mechanical-turk-esque system that allowed them to classify large > > amounts of traffic as cp/non-cp? > > Y

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Ted Smith wrote: > Are we to believe that the Reddit commenter you're referencing wrote > some mechanical-turk-esque system that allowed them to classify large > amounts of traffic as cp/non-cp? You don't need to classify large amounts of traffic for that — you can

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread Ted Smith
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 02:25 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > Also, the “immediate deletion” part is often not achievable, even if > server admins actively try to remove such content — CP videos (for > whatever definition of CP) in various social networks are a known > problem, especially when they ar

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:58 AM, adrelanos wrote: > Is this actually true? I've seen in a discussion that there is 00, yes > 0.0 cp on clearnet, because there are no countries which tolerate it and > therefore all server admins immediately delete it. That's most certainly not true, or at least wa

Re: [tor-talk] Tor: lobbies vs lobbies - Who will prevail?

2012-08-08 Thread || ΣΖΟ ||
Well, Politicians are corrupt, what are they doing against THEIR corruption? NOTHING. So don't expect politicians to do anything that is right for you, they do first what is convenient for them and if thats unfortunate for you then that's your problem. What do politicians want? They want to tr

[tor-talk] Tor: lobbies vs lobbies - Who will prevail?

2012-08-08 Thread adrelanos
There are various lobbies. - Some "Pro-Tor" (also pro privacy, pro any anonymity network). - Some "Anti-Tor". "Pro-Tor" lobbies: - journalists - https://www.torproject.org/about/torusers.html.en - Perhaps mostly notable: Tor was originally designed, implemented, and deployed as a third-generation

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread adrelanos
Maxim Kammerer: >> If Tor shuts down today, who loses and who wins? > > Why would it be shut down? Why would you structure an anti-censorship > project in such a way that it depends on goodwill of authorities? A project providing "freedom", i.e. anonymity and circumvention for "unfree" countries

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread adrelanos
> [1] > http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/vdhs8/hi_iama_we_are_core_members_of_the_tor_project/c53jzqv "I ran an end node for a month or so. I sniffed and logged the traffic for a while, just out of curiosity. I don't know if it was sheer bad luck or what, but after a week a significant chunk

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > How would you have us promote Tor? The “Tor users” page isn't presented as a promotional page, it is presented as a factual one. I also remember discussion on this list where I expressed doubt about some aspects listed there (military uses),

Re: [tor-talk] simple example in ruby

2012-08-08 Thread Herover
Use the middle proxy started by tor. I can't write Ruby, but I guess there is a built-in method to go through a proxy before connecting to a website. The proxy will send you inside tor. 2012/8/8 : > Please send me a simple example in Ruby lua or C. > How I can read from onion adress. > > connect

[tor-talk] simple example in ruby

2012-08-08 Thread grubymis
Please send me a simple example in Ruby lua or C. How I can read from onion adress. connect to ypr7i2smxhcjalla.onion sock.write("string") and get ansver. I need simple 2way communication. No comunication outside tor only inside. ___ tor-talk mailing l

[tor-talk] Bill of rights in Brazil

2012-08-08 Thread Victor Pereira
I would like to know your opinion about it http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/08/06/brazil-internet-bill-of-rights-marcocivil/ In one hand I find it is good to do awareness without any kind of violence (physical or monetary) but in another hand, any kind of regulation can be, in the near future, c

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:07:49 +0300 Maxim Kammerer wrote: > I doubt that the Tor Project will ever acknowledge such support. Tor > developers (or at least policy people) like to pretend that Tor is > used for purposes that they consider morally right, and ignore the > uses that are morally wrong [1]

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread grarpamp
> 4. Tor and hidden services are good enough for an ecommerce platform. Be careful the words... this is like saying the US Gov is doing great at preventing 'terrorist' attacks simply because there haven't been any. And although I might trust Tor, it's not wise to trust a GPA such as the NSA, nor

[tor-talk] Roger's status report, July 2012

2012-08-08 Thread Roger Dingledine
Here's what I said at the beginning of July that I hoped to do: > - Attend the Dev meeting and hack fest in Florence. Help everybody > understand about our upcoming grants, and the upcoming deliverables that > go with them. Done. It was a great dev meeting and hack fest -- we had something like 4

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread antispam06
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012, at 04:27, morristan wrote: > Silk Road reported to make $1.9 million per month, > http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/08/06/black-market-drug-site-silk-road-booming-22-million-in-annual-mostly-illegal-sales/ > > Tor Project reported to make $1.3 million per year,

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote: >>used for purposes that they consider morally right, and ignore the >>uses that are morally wrong [1]. > > Are you saying that selling chemical products is morally wrong? No, it's a contraction to avoid saying the same thing twice. By the way,

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread Juan Garofalo
At 09:07 AM 8/8/2012 +0300, you wrote: >On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:27 AM, morristan wrote: >> Perhaps the Silk Road people should donate to Tor. Perhaps they should fund >> hidden service improvements in Tor. Perhaps both. > >I doubt that the Tor Project will ever acknowledge such support. Tor >deve

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-08 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:27 AM, morristan wrote: > Perhaps the Silk Road people should donate to Tor. Perhaps they should fund > hidden service improvements in Tor. Perhaps both. I doubt that the Tor Project will ever acknowledge such support. Tor developers (or at least policy people) like to pr