Re: [tor-talk] HTTPS to hidden service unecessary?

2012-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:41 PM, proper wrote: > HS + SSL makes sense: I was under the impression that browsers had generally stronger cookie and cross domain policies for SSL sessions but maybe I'm imagining things. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@li

Re: [tor-talk] HTTPS to hidden service unecessary?

2012-07-09 Thread Juenca R
>> >T or HS provide end-to-end encryption, however imho SSL it still maybe >> > useful if: >> > >> > - You use a Tor Gateway (for example in a Lan or WiFi) to reach the >> > .onion darknet space and you don't want to trust your Tor Gateway > or >> > your Lan >> >> good point. but don't most reg

Re: [tor-talk] HTTPS to hidden service unecessary?

2012-07-09 Thread proper
HS + SSL makes sense: - stronger encryption Not looking too long for a good source... https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HiddenServiceNames If you decide to run a hidden service Tor generates an RSA-1024 keypair. The .onion name is computed as follows: first the SHA1 hash [...]

Re: [tor-talk] hidden service on same location as public service

2012-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:23 PM, wrote: > Exit enclaves no longer work - > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/ExitEnclave Bummer, they still work on old nodes (or at least I just tested and it works for me). I liked them for unloading exists and narrowing the exposure of non-targe

Re: [tor-talk] hidden service on same location as public service

2012-07-09 Thread Juenca R
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Juenca R wrote: >> ok good that was actually my other question, why run exit enclave if you > run a hidden service. >> i guess you answered my question.  they service different purpose. > > Right. Enclaves work for people using the global domain names, onion > a

Re: [tor-talk] HTTPS to hidden service unecessary?

2012-07-09 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Juenca R wrote: > > > >T or HS provide end-to-end encryption, however imho SSL it still maybe > > useful if: > > > > - You use a Tor Gateway (for example in a Lan or WiFi) to reach the > > .onion darknet space and you don't want to trust your Tor Gateway or > > yo

Re: [tor-talk] hidden service on same location as public service

2012-07-09 Thread tor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/07/12 21:15, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > It's also useful to run as an exit enclave for these purposes. You > configure yourself as an exit but only to your public IP address. > Then tor nodes will switch to using you to exit to you even when >

Re: [tor-talk] hidden service on same location as public service

2012-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Juenca R wrote: > ok good that was actually my other question, why run exit enclave if you run > a hidden service. > i guess you answered my question. they service different purpose. Right. Enclaves work for people using the global domain names, onion addresses d

Re: [tor-talk] hidden service on same location as public service

2012-07-09 Thread Juenca R
>>> i'm wonder if it makes any sense to allow users to access a public > web server >>> access normal at same time as hidden service on same machine? >> >> Yes. >> - saves exit bandwidth >> - will continue to work even if all exits are shut down >> - exit policy/ports do not matter >> - more dive

Re: [tor-talk] HTTPS to hidden service unecessary?

2012-07-09 Thread Juenca R
>T or HS provide end-to-end encryption, however imho SSL it still maybe > useful if: > > - You use a Tor Gateway (for example in a Lan or WiFi) to reach the > .onion darknet space and you don't want to trust your Tor Gateway or > your Lan good point. but don't most regular users install Tor on

Re: [tor-talk] HTTPS to hidden service unecessary?

2012-07-09 Thread Juenca R
- Original Message - > From: SiNA Rabbani > To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > Cc: Juenca R > Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] HTTPS to hidden service unecessary? > > > On 07/09/2012 01:10 PM, Juenca R wrote: >> Tor encrypts all traffic, right?  > Tor wil

Re: [tor-talk] HTTPS to hidden service unecessary?

2012-07-09 Thread SiNA Rabbani
On 07/09/2012 01:10 PM, Juenca R wrote: > Tor encrypts all traffic, right? Tor will encrypt your data while it's being passed from one relay to the other, all the way to the Exit node. If you send HTTP, it will come out HTTP :) By TLS? So if running a hidden service, is it redundant to serve i

Re: [tor-talk] HTTPS to hidden service unecessary?

2012-07-09 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Tor HS provide end-to-end encryption, however imho SSL it still maybe useful if: - You use a Tor Gateway (for example in a Lan or WiFi) to reach the .onion darknet space and you don't want to trust your Tor Gateway or your Lan - You want SSL client authentication - You want to use particular key

Re: [tor-talk] hidden service on same location as public service

2012-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:25 PM, wrote: > wrote: >> i'm wonder if it makes any sense to allow users to access a public web server >> access normal at same time as hidden service on same machine? > > Yes. > - saves exit bandwidth > - will continue to work even if all exits are shut down > - exit p

[tor-talk] HTTPS to hidden service unecessary?

2012-07-09 Thread Juenca R
Tor encrypts all traffic, right?  By TLS?  So if running a hidden service, is it redundant to serve it using HTTPS/port 443?? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

[tor-talk] CA cert MITM vulnerability in Tor? (Was: hidden service on same location as public service)

2012-07-09 Thread Juenca R
>> also wondering if the use of hidden service like this will help fix problem >> of man-in-middle attacks on SSL like here: >>   >> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/packet-forensics/ >>   >> actually, does Tor's encryption fall victim to this?  if not, is HTTPS >> over >> hidden service

Re: [tor-talk] hidden service on same location as public service

2012-07-09 Thread Juenca R
>& lt;jue...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> i'm wonder if it makes any sense to allow users to access a public web >> server >> access normal at same time as hidden service on same machine? > > Yes. > - saves exit bandwidth > - will continue to work even if all exits are shut down > - exit policy/ports d

Re: [tor-talk] New-to-TOR Quick Questions -- not in FAQ

2012-07-09 Thread antispam06
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012, at 19:07, starli...@binnacle.cx wrote: > 1) Will the TOR bundle co-exist peacefully > and separately with a Firefox 13 install under > Windows (2008 SP2 x64)? Ideally I'd like for them > to not interact at all and for the TOR instance > of Firefox to run simultaneously to a re

Re: [tor-talk] Roger's status report, June 2012

2012-07-09 Thread Matej Kovacic
Hi, how far is implementation of anonymisation of all IP packets (including UDP, not just TCP), as it was stated in "Tor Development Roadmap, 2008-2011" document? Regards, M. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproj