Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread grarpamp
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > bittorrent trackers are fine, it's the bulk download of GB of data 7x24 > that loads up the network. Wanted to add a bit here from another view. I see no issue with bulk data transfer, so long as you give back empty bandwidth equal to your

Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread grarpamp
> Robert Ransom wrote: > Use Tor 0.2.3.x-alpha, give the user 10 or more SocksPorts and 10 or > more DNSPorts to point things which really need to be anonymous at, > and no TransPort. I think both are useful. Using TransPort as a safety packet log and proxy catchall for whatever apps might defy So

Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread Robert Ransom
On 2012-03-01, proper proper wrote: > I was told, to ask this question here. [3] > > Tor's transparent proxy feature is at the moment a bit complicated to take > advantage off and therefore unpopular. That might change in the future, > because a) documentation improves [1]; b) in the future (depen

Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread proper
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Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread Robert Ransom
On 2012-03-02, Andrew Lewman wrote: > The trick is, I like to think I know what I'm doing and that I'll > notice if apt-get or my VM image fails to transfer untouched. Whether > I'll actually notice a sophisticated exploit in deb packages or my vm > image modified in perfect way that gpg or sha25

Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 00:12:44 +0100 "proper proper" wrote: > You ask the user not to use Bittorrent over Tor, as the network can > not handle the load. bittorrent trackers are fine, it's the bulk download of GB of data 7x24 that loads up the network. > What about operating system updates behind

Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread proper
> "proper proper" writes: > > [...] > > >> > You can easily do so by separating traffic at user level (root vs. regular > users). Why do we need a special package for such a simple task? > > > > > That's not possible. Everything behind the transparent proxy, root or regular > user, has only two o

Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread proper proper
--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Von: Moritz Bartl Datum: 02.03.2012 01:27:58 An: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Betreff: Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy > On 02.03.2012 00:12, proper proper wrote: > > You ask the user not to use > Bit

Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread Christopher Schmidt
"proper proper" writes: [...] >> You can easily do so by separating traffic at user level (root vs. regular >> users). Why do we need a special package for such a simple task? > > That's not possible. Everything behind the transparent proxy, root or regular > user, has only two options, use T

Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread proper proper
> "proper proper" writes: > > > I > was told, to ask this question here. [3] > > > > Tor's transparent proxy > feature is at the moment a bit complicated to take > > advantage off and > therefore unpopular. That might change in the future, because > > a) documentation > improves [1]; b) in the fut

Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread Christopher Schmidt
"proper proper" writes: > I was told, to ask this question here. [3] > > Tor's transparent proxy feature is at the moment a bit complicated to take > advantage off and therefore unpopular. That might change in the future, > because > a) documentation improves [1]; b) in the future (depending on

Re: [tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 02.03.2012 00:12, proper proper wrote: > You ask the user not to use Bittorrent over Tor, as the network can not > handle the load. The problem is that Bittorrent opens a lot of concurrent connections to download many pieces at once. And all those "Tweak your Torrent client and get mighty migh

[tor-talk] Operating system updates / software installation behind Tor Transparent Proxy

2012-03-01 Thread proper proper
I was told, to ask this question here. [3] Tor's transparent proxy feature is at the moment a bit complicated to take advantage off and therefore unpopular. That might change in the future, because a) documentation improves [1]; b) in the future (depending on the outcome of this bug) there migh

Re: [tor-talk] on the topic of tor's weaknesses

2012-03-01 Thread Paul Syverson
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 10:07:43AM -0500, Chris Wheeler wrote: > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM, grarpamp wrote: > > > > Though HS is more hops away, I doubt it would affect timing or byte > > counting all that much. > > It wouldn't. > > That was my first thought too, but then what is the point

Re: [tor-talk] on the topic of tor's weaknesses

2012-03-01 Thread Chris Wheeler
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM, grarpamp wrote: > >>> It may take a while for a clientA to use said entry but when > >>> they do it seems it would be quite easy to time/count correlate > >>> or munge the HS traffic of clientA. And only require two nodes > >>> (hs, entry) and no GPA taps to do so

Re: [tor-talk] Magnet application in TOR Browser??

2012-03-01 Thread Koos Huisman
Thanks for that, works like a charm. Op 1-3-2012 12:28, Andy Dixon schreef: On 01/03/12 10:18, Koos Huisman wrote: Hi, I'm not using my Bittorrent over TOR. I'm using TOR to connect to thepiratebay.se website as here in Holland that website is blocked by my provider (Ziggo). Then I download

Re: [tor-talk] Magnet application in TOR Browser??

2012-03-01 Thread Andy Dixon
On 01/03/12 10:18, Koos Huisman wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not using my Bittorrent over TOR. > > I'm using TOR to connect to thepiratebay.se website as here in Holland > that website is blocked by my provider (Ziggo). > Then I download the torrent files into my bittorrent program which is > configured to

Re: [tor-talk] Magnet application in TOR Browser??

2012-03-01 Thread Koos Huisman
Hi, I'm not using my Bittorrent over TOR. I'm using TOR to connect to thepiratebay.se website as here in Holland that website is blocked by my provider (Ziggo). Then I download the torrent files into my bittorrent program which is configured to use the internet in the normal way. Only The