Re: [tor-talk] Announcing the Tor Farsi blog

2011-12-20 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 09:12:25PM +, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: >> [1]: https://fa-blog.torproject.org/ > > Neat. I'm happy to see this moving forward! > > It looks like it pulls an image from a third-party site though: > "https://fa-blog

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread grarpamp
> For my own part, I am perfectly fine with the idea of working *with* > server operators to help them secure their systems, and with making > sure that only secure systems are on the network.  But efforts in this > area need to work with the foreknowledge and consent of node > operators, and not a

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread grarpamp
>> Which is why I stopped running a relay - wy too many people poking >> at my machine.  In retrospect I was probably just incredibly naive, >> but when I put up a tor relay I was expecting to just relay tor >> traffic.  I did not sign up to be the target of any wannabe pen >> tester. > > For m

Re: [tor-talk] Announcing the Tor Farsi blog

2011-12-20 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 09:12:25PM +, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > [1]: https://fa-blog.torproject.org/ Neat. I'm happy to see this moving forward! It looks like it pulls an image from a third-party site though: "https://fa-blog.torproject.org/";>https://s3.amazonaws.com/fa-blog.torproject.org/to

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Mike Damm
On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:54 PM, "Chris" wrote: >>> Security trough obscurity doesn't scale, so what' the problem? >> >> The problem is that I don't know you, I don't know your intentions, >> and I haven't given you permission to do a security audit, free or >> otherwise, on my machine. You need to

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Lee
On 12/20/11, Chris wrote: >>> Security trough obscurity doesn't scale, so what' the problem? >> >> The problem is that I don't know you, I don't know your intentions, >> and I haven't given you permission to do a security audit, free or >> otherwise, on my machine. You need to GET PERMISSION FIRS

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Lee
On 12/20/11, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > On 12/20/11 8:06 PM, Nick Mathewson wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) >> wrote: >> Absolutely brilliant. Someone donates to your cause and, if they don't come up to your standards, you do your best to ensu

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Klaus Layer
Lee wrote on 20.12.2011: > Which is why I stopped running a relay - wy too many people poking > at my machine. In retrospect I was probably just incredibly naive, > but when I put up a tor relay I was expecting to just relay tor > traffic. I did not sign up to be the target of any wannabe pe

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Chris
> > Up to that point I hadn't thought of pranks as unethical behavior or > an abuse of trust.. but I realized that he was right. > > I guess that's my answer to "but everyone else is doing it." It's not > your server, you do not have permission to scan their machine. The > people that deserve r

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
On 12/20/11 8:06 PM, Nick Mathewson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) > wrote: > >>> Absolutely brilliant. Someone donates to your cause and, if they >>> don't come up to your standards, you do your best to ensure they get >>> pwned instead of just dropping them

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Chris
>> Security trough obscurity doesn't scale, so what' the problem? > > The problem is that I don't know you, I don't know your intentions, > and I haven't given you permission to do a security audit, free or > otherwise, on my machine. You need to GET PERMISSION FIRST or you're > behaving exactly l

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Lee
On 12/20/11, Nick Mathewson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) > wrote: > >>> Absolutely brilliant. Someone donates to your cause and, if they >>> don't come up to your standards, you do your best to ensure they get >>> pwned instead of just dropping them from the

[tor-talk] Announcing the Tor Farsi blog

2011-12-20 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
Hi everyone, >From https://blog.torproject.org/blog/announcing-tor-farsi-blog: We are happy to announce the launch of the Tor Farsi blog [1]. The site is created in response to the great reception of Tor and circumvention tools amongst Iranian users. The goal of this site is to be a one-stop plac

Re: [tor-talk] Suggest a new name for the Torouter, win an Excito B3

2011-12-20 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
Hi everyone, We have received a lot of good naming suggestions for the Excito B3 Torouter, thank you to everyone who emailed us! We have decided that the new name for the Excito B3 Torouter is onionbox. An email has gone out to the lucky winner of a B3, a t-shirt and some stickers, as well as five

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Lee
On 12/20/11, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > On 12/20/11 7:05 PM, Lee wrote: >>> It would be interesting to analyze it to understand "what's running" on >>> Tor Exit and Tor Relays, eventually make up some kind of network >>> monitoring systems like it's done for Enterprise Security Monitoring >

Re: [tor-talk] Tor 0.2.3.9-alpha is out

2011-12-20 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Nick Mathewson wrote: > > I've added this as #4572 at > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/4752 ; more thinking > is needed about the best solution. Oops; both of those numbers should be "4752". sorry there, -- Nick _

Re: [tor-talk] Tor 0.2.3.9-alpha is out

2011-12-20 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Jim wrote: > Roger Dingledine wrote: > >>   o Minor features (new/different config options): > > [snip] > >>     - Slightly change behavior of "list" options (that is, config >>       options that can appear more than once) when they appear both in >>       torrc an

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Robin Kipp
Hi there, you know, I'm definitely not someone deeply involved in the Tor project, its development, maintenance and all that. However, from my experience, I've always thought that everyone donating a relay or exit node to the network is seen as "potentially helpful" and not as a "potential secur

[tor-talk] Reminder: please use trac.torproject.org for bug reports

2011-12-20 Thread Nick Mathewson
Hi, all! Please take this message as a friendly reminder that we would really prefer that bugs be reported on the bugtracker at trac.torproject.org. The main advantage of doing this is that once a bug is on the bugtracker, it can't go away until somebody closes it; and if it gets closed in error,

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
On 12/20/11 7:05 PM, Lee wrote: >> It would be interesting to analyze it to understand "what's running" on >> Tor Exit and Tor Relays, eventually make up some kind of network >> monitoring systems like it's done for Enterprise Security Monitoring >> Systems. > > The difference being that enterpris

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: >> Absolutely brilliant.  Someone donates to your cause and, if they >> don't come up to your standards, you do your best to ensure they get >> pwned instead of just dropping them from the donor list. > > If you want to participate

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Lee
On 12/20/11, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > I made a big portscan+app fingerprinting of all Tor exit and Relay: > [.. snip ..] Which is why I stopped running a relay - wy too many people poking at my machine. In retrospect I was probably just incredibly naive, but when I put up a tor rel

[tor-talk] Exit enclaves

2011-12-20 Thread tor
Hi, I have some questions regarding enclaved servers and hope you can help me finding the answer to these questions. I have tried to find those answers on this mailing list and also in the TOR documentation and the wiki, but to no avail. If my questions have been answered over and over again somew

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:11:29 +0100 "Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)" wrote: > Or a process like that to always know that the "System/Network" > security of computers running Tor it's ok, and if not ok "do > something". Perhaps you are interested in the exit authority code, https://gitweb.torproject.org/

Re: [tor-talk] "If you have access to certain tools, you can completely ignore Tor."

2011-12-20 Thread tor
On 20/12/11 14:47, Chris wrote: > Would any of these attacks work with HTML off? I ask mostly because the > default in GNU/Linux is for these things to be off. Even my web mail > GNU/Linux interface I write from has HTML off by default. If you're using a standalone client, you're pretty safe if y

Re: [tor-talk] "If you have access to certain tools, you can completely ignore Tor."

2011-12-20 Thread Chris
Would any of these attacks work with HTML off? I ask mostly because the default in GNU/Linux is for these things to be off. Even my web mail GNU/Linux interface I write from has HTML off by default. > Thank you for that. > > Kmail (Kontact) appears perfectly safe. I also tested vs gmail in my > f

Re: [tor-talk] "If you have access to certain tools, you can completely ignore Tor."

2011-12-20 Thread Praedor
Thank you for that. Kmail (Kontact) appears perfectly safe. I also tested vs gmail in my firefox browser with noscript. No leaks there either. praedor On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 07:01:39 AM t...@lists.grepular.com wrote: > On 20/12/11 04:44, Andrew Lewman wrote: > > > This also requires t

Re: [tor-talk] "If you have access to certain tools, you can completely ignore Tor."

2011-12-20 Thread tor
On 20/12/11 04:44, Andrew Lewman wrote: > This also requires the user not being very sophisticated. If you load > up html emails full of web-bugs, javascript, and your normal browser > pointed at Tor, then I believe most of what 'SR' says is correct. I > don't believe this is true for Tor Browser

[tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-20 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
I made a big portscan+app fingerprinting of all Tor exit and Relay: wget -q -O /tmp/Tor_ip_list_ALL.csv \ http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/ip_list_all.php/Tor_ip_list_ALL.csv nmap -iL /tmp/Tor_ip_list_ALL.csv -F -sS -sV -PI -T Insane \ -oM Tor-Scan-20-12-2011_00_30.out You can find the result her