Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-06 Thread Robert Ransom
On 10/6/12, Mike Perry wrote: > Yet still, as Roger and Robert point out, there are some serious > questions about the viability of decentralized directory/consensus > systems. Or, at least questions that sexified attack papers can make to > seem serious. (For example: I don't believe TorSK was a

Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-06 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Jacob Appelbaum (ja...@appelbaum.net): > >>> 18:10 <@cjd> If someone (with government hat?) tells you they can make > >>> your > >>> life hell... I wouldn't fault them for doing what the man says. > >>> 18:10 <@cjd> *wouldn't fault you > >>> 18:10 <+eleitl> I'll try bugging some Tor d

Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-05 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:07:39 + Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > Huh. Wow. I just... Excuse me? Who suggests that no Tor developers > haven't already had their arm twisted and stood their ground? Who > suggests that those who run a Tor Directory Authority would comply > with the "man" and what "they"

Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-05 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eugen Leitl: >>> 18:08 <@cjd> I trust them to make the software right, esp. since I could >>> check if they did. >>> 18:09 <@cjd> But a little arm twisting can change someone's motives pretty >>> fast. >>> 18:09 <+eleitl> Maintaining signing secrets is a problem. >>> 18:09 <+eleitl> They should hav

Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-04 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 01:50:47PM -0400, Robert Ransom wrote: > > 18:04 <+eleitl> I wonder why they didn't choose UDP > > Presumably because TCP was easier. Yep. > > 18:05 <@cjd> you need to fall back on tcp in case you're firewalled to hell > > 18:05 <+eleitl> Apparently, they're thinking abou

Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 01:50:47PM -0400, Robert Ransom wrote: > The v3 network consensus document must be signed by a majority of the > (currently nine) directory authorities' signing keys. None of the Nice. > directory authorities are operated by Tor Project, Inc.. Is there a documented proc

Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-04 Thread Robert Ransom
On 10/4/12, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > I've had an IRC session with the designer of cjdns (on cjdns) > who made a few interesting points, and suggestions. Comments? > > Verbatim chat snip below. > > 18:03 <@cjd> if you took the components from cjdns, you could build a TOR > like protocol which used UD

[tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
I've had an IRC session with the designer of cjdns (on cjdns) who made a few interesting points, and suggestions. Comments? Verbatim chat snip below. 18:03 <@cjd> if you took the components from cjdns, you could build a TOR like protocol which used UDP if possible and made connecti

[tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
I've had an IRC session with the designer of cjdns (on cjdns) who made a few interesting points, and suggestions. Comments? Verbatim chat snip below. 18:03 <@cjd> if you took the components from cjdns, you could build a TOR like protocol which used UDP if possible and made connecti