Re: [tor-dev] Using the consensus-health web page to debug the Tor network

2013-09-26 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/25/13 6:43 PM, Damian Johnson wrote: >> I disagree. It's useful information to know if some authorities don't >> assign flags or assign extra flags to a relay. That can help explain >> why the relay sometimes gets the flag if some of the authorities don't >> vote. Or in case of Named/Unname

Re: [tor-dev] Using the consensus-health web page to debug the Tor network

2013-09-25 Thread Damian Johnson
> I disagree. It's useful information to know if some authorities don't > assign flags or assign extra flags to a relay. That can help explain > why the relay sometimes gets the flag if some of the authorities don't > vote. Or in case of Named/Unnamed and Exit/BadExit, the flags contained > in v

Re: [tor-dev] Using the consensus-health web page to debug the Tor network

2013-09-25 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/25/13 5:45 AM, Damian Johnson wrote: >> I think Roger uses it in his role as network debugger, not as authority >> operator. There may be more people wanting to help with network >> debugging who are not authority operators. And there may be expert >> relay operators who are wondering why th

Re: [tor-dev] Using the consensus-health web page to debug the Tor network

2013-09-24 Thread Damian Johnson
> I think Roger uses it in his role as network debugger, not as authority > operator. There may be more people wanting to help with network > debugging who are not authority operators. And there may be expert > relay operators who are wondering why their relay isn't listed or isn't > listed with

Re: [tor-dev] Using the consensus-health web page to debug the Tor network

2013-09-24 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/21/13 11:42 PM, Damian Johnson wrote: > Hi Karsten. After thinking about this for a bit I'm gonna vote for #4. :) > > DocTor's consensus-health page is solely used by authority operators, I think Roger uses it in his role as network debugger, not as authority operator. There may be more peo

Re: [tor-dev] Using the consensus-health web page to debug the Tor network

2013-09-21 Thread Damian Johnson
Hi Karsten. After thinking about this for a bit I'm gonna vote for #4. :) DocTor's consensus-health page is solely used by authority operators, and only for specific tasks. If its current visualization of this information was truly helpful then I'd agree that we should keep it. However, for the us

[tor-dev] Using the consensus-health web page to debug the Tor network

2013-09-19 Thread Karsten Loesing
Hi Damian, Roger and I discussed the consensus-health web page that the Java version of DocTor produces [0] but your Python version does not. Roger says he uses that page to debug the Tor network. In particular, he says he scans the huge relay flags table to spot differences between relay flags