Re: [tor-dev] User perception of onion service discovery

2017-10-15 Thread dawuud
I agree with Alec. Don't block the existing tor2web stuff, that would be very rude. Instead just do not implement any kind of tor2web for v3 onion services so that tor2web will gradually fade as we migrate. > *although speaking as a geek I believe that re-engineering T2W to > support SSL via SNI-

Re: [tor-dev] User perception of onion service discovery

2017-10-15 Thread teor
> On 15 Oct 2017, at 04:08, Alec Muffett wrote: > >> On 14 October 2017 at 19:43, dawuud wrote: >> Plaintext communications intermediaries like tor2web violate the end >> to end principle and the principle of least authority. If we as the >> Tor community are committed to human rights then it f

Re: [tor-dev] User perception of onion service discovery

2017-10-15 Thread Alec Muffett
On 14 October 2017 at 19:43, dawuud wrote: > > Plaintext communications intermediaries like tor2web violate the end > to end principle and the principle of least authority. If we as the > Tor community are committed to human rights then it follows we would > abolish terrible things like tor2web or

Re: [tor-dev] User perception of onion service discovery

2017-10-14 Thread Andreas Krey
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 15:12:05 +, dawuud wrote: > > That sounds terrabad. Can we finally set fire to tor2web? It was > never a good idea. Why? There is exactly nothing that would stop google from actually indexing .onion domains (it knows about), like it now is with onion.to, even thought that

Re: [tor-dev] User perception of onion service discovery

2017-10-14 Thread dawuud
That sounds terrabad. Can we finally set fire to tor2web? It was never a good idea. On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 10:45:18AM -0400, Philipp Winter wrote: > On Tue, Oct 03, 2017 at 08:25:15PM -0400, Philipp Winter wrote: > > - Many respondents were not aware of search engines such as ahmia.fi. > > A

Re: [tor-dev] User perception of onion service discovery

2017-10-14 Thread Philipp Winter
On Tue, Oct 03, 2017 at 08:25:15PM -0400, Philipp Winter wrote: > - Many respondents were not aware of search engines such as ahmia.fi. > Among those that were, many were not satisfied with both the search > results and the number of indexed onion sites. Unsurprisingly, > a "Google for onion

[tor-dev] User perception of onion service discovery

2017-10-03 Thread Philipp Winter
This is the second part of our preliminary analysis of how Tor users interact with onion services [0]. In this part, we analyse the issue of onion service discovery. Onion services are private by default, so it's the operator's responsibility to disseminate their domain if they want it to be publ