Re: [tor-dev] Two protocols to measure relay-sensitive hidden-service statistics

2015-03-10 Thread A. Johnson
Well, friends, here’s an attack on the whole anonymization approach to reporting HSDir (or other) statistics: 1. The adversary creates a large number of onion services that almost always cover the entire set of HSDirs. 2. The adversary performs actions with his onion services that add to the

Re: [tor-dev] Two protocols to measure relay-sensitive hidden-service statistics

2015-02-18 Thread George Kadianakis
"A. Johnson" writes: > Hello tor-dev, > > > > Two HS statistics that we (i.e. people working on Sponsor R) are interested > in collecting are: > 1. The number of descriptor fetches received by a hidden-service directory > (HSDir) > 2. The number of client introduction requests at an intro

Re: [tor-dev] Two protocols to measure relay-sensitive hidden-service statistics

2015-01-15 Thread A. Johnson
> I am beginning to think that AnonStats2 is not secure enough to use. But I have come up with a possible replacement. Let’s call it AnonStats3. AnonStats3 works in conjunction with AnonStats1. It provides a rough estimate of the statistic that probably is most useful as a sanity check on AnonSt

Re: [tor-dev] Two protocols to measure relay-sensitive hidden-service statistics

2015-01-14 Thread A. Johnson
>> AnonStats1 doesn’t leak the relay identity. The relay probability is sent >> over a separate circuit (at a random time). I intentionally did that just to >> avoid the problem you describe. >> > > Ah, I see, that makes sense. > > Some more notes from reading AnonStats1 then: > > a) How do r

Re: [tor-dev] Two protocols to measure relay-sensitive hidden-service statistics

2015-01-14 Thread George Kadianakis
"A. Johnson" writes: > Hi George, > > Thanks for the really thoughtful comments. > >>> Two HS statistics that we (i.e. people working on Sponsor R) are interested >>> in collecting are: >>> 1. The number of descriptor fetches received by a hidden-service directory >>> (HSDir) >>> 2. The numbe

Re: [tor-dev] Two protocols to measure relay-sensitive hidden-service statistics

2015-01-09 Thread A. Johnson
Hi George, Thanks for the really thoughtful comments. >> Two HS statistics that we (i.e. people working on Sponsor R) are interested >> in collecting are: >> 1. The number of descriptor fetches received by a hidden-service directory >> (HSDir) >> 2. The number of client introduction requests

Re: [tor-dev] Two protocols to measure relay-sensitive hidden-service statistics

2015-01-09 Thread George Kadianakis
"A. Johnson" writes: > Hello tor-dev, > Hello, and thanks for posting this to the list. > While helping design ways to publish statistics about hidden services in a > privacy-preserving > manner, it has become clear to me that certain statistics cannot be safely > reported using the > curren

Re: [tor-dev] Two protocols to measure relay-sensitive hidden-service statistics

2015-01-06 Thread A. Johnson
> I think that there are some details to work out, but the general > approach you describe sounds reasonable. IMO it doesn't need to be > directory authorities who are StatsAuths, and we could use a "blinded > token once per relay per period" scheme for other stuff too down the > line. I wonder w

Re: [tor-dev] Two protocols to measure relay-sensitive hidden-service statistics

2015-01-06 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:14 PM, A. Johnson wrote: > Hello tor-dev, > > While helping design ways to publish statistics about hidden services in a > privacy-preserving > manner, it has become clear to me that certain statistics cannot be safely > reported using the > current method of having ea

[tor-dev] Two protocols to measure relay-sensitive hidden-service statistics

2015-01-06 Thread A. Johnson
Hello tor-dev, While helping design ways to publish statistics about hidden services in a privacy-preserving manner, it has become clear to me that certain statistics cannot be safely reported using the current method of having each relay collect and report measurements. I am going to describe