Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-11 Thread Ian Goldberg
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 11:47:10PM +0200, tagnaq wrote: > > Doesn't "make random people into public (middle-only) relays" have the > > (well maybe not "problem", but "issue"?) that when GFW blocks them, they > > (the random people who bought an Excito/etc.) won't be able to connect > > to anything

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-11 Thread Fabian Keil
Fabian Keil wrote: > and...@torproject.org wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 07:12:25PM +, ja...@appelbaum.net wrote 1.7K > > bytes in 39 lines about: > > : I did not suggest a backdoor! I suggested a method of remotely helping > > > > This comes across as "it's not a backdoor, it's a h

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-11 Thread Fabian Keil
and...@torproject.org wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 07:12:25PM +, ja...@appelbaum.net wrote 1.7K > bytes in 39 lines about: > : I did not suggest a backdoor! I suggested a method of remotely helping > > This comes across as "it's not a backdoor, it's a highly secured front > door that onl

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-11 Thread andrew
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 04:15:43PM +, ja...@appelbaum.net wrote 15K bytes in 322 lines about: : I think we should re-flash with an OS that makes hardening a priority. We : should only harden the OS in the sense that we should strip out anything : that we do not require for our uses. Debian and

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-11 Thread andrew
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 07:12:25PM +, ja...@appelbaum.net wrote 1.7K bytes in 39 lines about: : I did not suggest a backdoor! I suggested a method of remotely helping This comes across as "it's not a backdoor, it's a highly secured front door that only law enforcement will have access to in o

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Robert Ransom wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:15:43 + > Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > >> I think that we should probably setup a hidden service on each one and >> ensure that we can remotely administrate them with the consent of the >> testers. This will help us to

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Robert Ransom
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:15:43 + Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > I think that we should probably setup a hidden service on each one and > ensure that we can remotely administrate them with the consent of the > testers. This will help us to perhaps make some of these choices differently > down the road

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
> > I haven't converted my DreamPlug to Debian yet, but will try to do > this over the weekend. I'll be sure to document the process as well. > Ok. This seems like a good starting point: http://blog.davideaves.com/archives/2011/03/21/installing_debian_gnulinux_6_0_1_squeeze_on_the_dreamplug/ I lov

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Runa A. Sandvik > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Runa A. Sandvik >> wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM,   wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Runa A. Sandvik > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM, wrote: > >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote > 2.9K bytes in 75 lines about: > >> : The whole point wit

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM, wrote: > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote > 2.9K bytes in 75 lines about: > > : The whole point with the Torouter is to allow more people to run a > > : bridge or a

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM,   wrote: >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote 2.9K >> bytes in 75 lines about: >> : The whole point with the Torouter is to allow more people to run a >> : bridge or a

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM, wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote 2.9K > bytes in 75 lines about: > : The whole point with the Torouter is to allow more people to run a > : bridge or a relay, so I see a web interface as something mandatory. So > :

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread andrew
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote 2.9K bytes in 75 lines about: : The whole point with the Torouter is to allow more people to run a : bridge or a relay, so I see a web interface as something mandatory. So : yeah, we'd have to make sure that the interface is se

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread andrew
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:50:09PM +, ja...@appelbaum.net wrote 15K bytes in 359 lines about: : What's the rational there? While we certainly need more bridges, I'd like to Our funding for this project is to create more bridges to allow censored users to access the less-censored Internet from

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-09 Thread tagnaq
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/09/2011 09:57 PM, Ian Goldberg wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:50:09PM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >>> Sounds like a plan. I prefer bridge by default, but we can discuss that >>> later. >>> >> What's the rational there? While we certainly

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
> > > I think it's fine to ship one web interface for us now and later find a > good > > integration point with the Freedom Box later... > > Yep, I agree. > > Great. I'm sure that if the web UI is free software and it works well, we can see if the FB will be interested in using it. > > What's the

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-09 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Runa A. Sandvik > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Jacob Appelbaum >> wrote: >> > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Runa A. Sandvik >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Andrew L

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Ian Goldberg wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:50:09PM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > > Sounds like a plan. I prefer bridge by default, but we can discuss that > > > later. > > > > > What's the rational there? While we certainly need more bridges, I'd like > t

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-09 Thread Ian Goldberg
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:50:09PM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > Sounds like a plan. I prefer bridge by default, but we can discuss that > > later. > > > What's the rational there? While we certainly need more bridges, I'd like to > see an increase in relays and encourage more Friend of Friend

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Jacob Appelbaum > wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Runa A. Sandvik > > wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Andrew Lewman > >> wrote: > >> > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:36:45 -0700 > >> > Ja

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-09 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Runa A. Sandvik > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Andrew Lewman >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:36:45 -0700 >> > Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> > >> >> > We would also need a way for users to e

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Andrew Lewman > wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:36:45 -0700 > > Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > > >> > We would also need a way for users to easily change the hashed > >> > password. I can't remember if this is

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-09 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:36:45 -0700 > Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > >> > We would also need a way for users to easily change the hashed >> > password. I can't remember if this is a feature that is already >> > present in Vidalia. >> Yes, we do need

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-08 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:36:45 -0700 > Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > > > We would also need a way for users to easily change the hashed > > > password. I can't remember if this is a feature that is already > > > present in Vidalia. > > Yes, we do

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-08 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 15:36:45 -0700 Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > We would also need a way for users to easily change the hashed > > password. I can't remember if this is a feature that is already > > present in Vidalia. > Yes, we do need a way to change the password. We will also need a way > to rese

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-07 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Runa Sandvik wrote: > On 7 Jun 2011, at 22:00, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > > On 06/07/2011 01:28 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:08:48 +0100 > >> "Runa A. Sandvik" wrote: > Vidalia is not designed to control or configure a Tor process that

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-07 Thread Runa Sandvik
On 7 Jun 2011, at 22:00, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > On 06/07/2011 01:28 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:08:48 +0100 >> "Runa A. Sandvik" wrote: Vidalia is not designed to control or configure a Tor process that it did not start. >>> >>> I have tested this, and it works

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-07 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 06/07/2011 01:28 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:08:48 +0100 > "Runa A. Sandvik" wrote: >>> Vidalia is not designed to control or configure a Tor process that >>> it did not start. >> >> I have tested this, and it works just fine. The question is; are we >> happy with something

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-07 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:08:48 +0100 "Runa A. Sandvik" wrote: > > Vidalia is not designed to control or configure a Tor process that > > it did not start. > > I have tested this, and it works just fine. The question is; are we > happy with something that works, even if it's being used in a way that

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-07 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Robert Ransom wrote: > On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 06:00:48 -0400 > Nathan Freitas wrote: > >> On 05/29/2011 07:21 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> > Or perhaps we can just turn Tor on by default, ship tor-fw-helper and write >> > a basic status of Tor out to a static html f

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-03 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Tomas Touceda wrote: > On 03:41 Thu 02 Jun     , Robert Ransom wrote: >> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 06:00:48 -0400 >> Nathan Freitas wrote: >> >> > On 05/29/2011 07:21 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> > > Or perhaps we can just turn Tor on by default, ship tor-fw-helper and

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-02 Thread Tomas Touceda
On 03:41 Thu 02 Jun , Robert Ransom wrote: > On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 06:00:48 -0400 > Nathan Freitas wrote: > > > On 05/29/2011 07:21 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > > Or perhaps we can just turn Tor on by default, ship tor-fw-helper and > > > write > > > a basic status of Tor out to a static htm

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-02 Thread Robert Ransom
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 06:00:48 -0400 Nathan Freitas wrote: > On 05/29/2011 07:21 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > Or perhaps we can just turn Tor on by default, ship tor-fw-helper and write > > a basic status of Tor out to a static html file? > > Why not allow Vidalia running from a LAN-based comput

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-02 Thread Nathan Freitas
On 05/29/2011 07:21 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > Or perhaps we can just turn Tor on by default, ship tor-fw-helper and write > a basic status of Tor out to a static html file? Why not allow Vidalia running from a LAN-based computer to control it? The control port could autogenerate from the MAC ad

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-05-30 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 4:55 AM, Kyle Williams wrote: > Hi Runa, > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Runa A. Sandvik > wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> DreamPlug is a new plug computer from GlobalScale Technologies: >> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-5-dreamplugs.aspx. The spec >> looks go

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-05-30 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:01 AM, intrigeri wrote: > Hi, > > Runa A. Sandvik wrote (29 May 2011 23:35:24 GMT) : >>> Or perhaps we can just turn Tor on by default, ship tor-fw-helper >>> and write a basic status of Tor out to a static html file? > >> Users who aren't familiar with the command line w

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-05-30 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Runa A. Sandvik > wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Jacob Appelbaum >> wrote: >> > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Runa A. Sandvik >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> >> Dre

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-05-30 Thread bertagaz
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 02:01:14AM +0200, intrigeri wrote: > Hi, > > If the configuration bits that are relevant to Torouter were managed > using debconf (and possibly ucf), not only the webui's job would be a > bit easier to do, but other Debian derivatives (such as the FreedomBox > and Tails) co

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-05-29 Thread Kyle Williams
Hi Runa, On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > Hi everyone, > > DreamPlug is a new plug computer from GlobalScale Technologies: > http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-5-dreamplugs.aspx. The spec > looks good, it runs Ubuntu by default and it doesn't cost too much. I > thou

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-05-29 Thread intrigeri
Hi, Runa A. Sandvik wrote (29 May 2011 23:35:24 GMT) : >> Or perhaps we can just turn Tor on by default, ship tor-fw-helper >> and write a basic status of Tor out to a static html file? > Users who aren't familiar with the command line will probably still > have a problem configuring Tor. I think

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-05-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Jacob Appelbaum > wrote: > > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Runa A. Sandvik < > runa.sand...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> DreamPlug is a new plug computer from GlobalScale Tech

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-05-29 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Runa A. Sandvik > wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> DreamPlug is a new plug computer from GlobalScale Technologies: >> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-5-dreamplugs.aspx. The spec >> looks good, it

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-05-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > Hi everyone, > > DreamPlug is a new plug computer from GlobalScale Technologies: > http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-5-dreamplugs.aspx. The spec > looks good, it runs Ubuntu by default and it doesn't cost too much. I > thought that

[tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-05-28 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
Hi everyone, DreamPlug is a new plug computer from GlobalScale Technologies: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-5-dreamplugs.aspx. The spec looks good, it runs Ubuntu by default and it doesn't cost too much. I thought that the DreamPlug was going to be very user friendly and a potential cand