Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-10-28 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/16/13 8:28 PM, Karsten Loesing wrote: > Hi everyone, > > some of you may already know our new approach to estimating daily Tor users: > > https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html#userstats > > This new approach is in beta since April, and I'm quite happy with it. > I trust the new numbers

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-18 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/17/13 12:02 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > I think it would be good to write a paragraph or two to answer Matthew's > question -- why are these new numbers different, and what makes us think > they're better? I admit I've lost track of the various user counting > approaches too. I thought more

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-18 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/17/13 6:39 PM, Karsten Loesing wrote: > On 9/17/13 6:25 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:53:15AM +0200, Karsten Loesing wrote: >>> Here are the three graphs just for September, all ending on the >>> same day: >>> >>> https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html?graph=dire

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-17 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:53:15AM +0200, Karsten Loesing wrote: > Here are the three graphs just for September, all ending on the > same day: > > https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html?graph=direct-users&start=2013-09-01&end=2013-09-13&country=all&events=off#direct-users > > https://metrics.t

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-17 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/17/13 6:25 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:53:15AM +0200, Karsten Loesing wrote: >> Here are the three graphs just for September, all ending on the >> same day: >> >> https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html?graph=direct-users&start=2013-09-01&end=2013-09-13&country=a

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-17 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/17/13 12:02 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 08:28:21PM +0200, Karsten Loesing wrote: >> Here's the plan: >> >> - Compute user numbers for 2012 and before; the current numbers start >> on January 1, 2013. This is going to take at least until September 23. > > Sounds goo

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-17 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/17/13 8:38 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 06:02:14PM -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: >> I think it would be good to write a paragraph or two to answer Matthew's >> question -- why are these new numbers different, and what makes us think >> they're better? > > Speaking of

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-17 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/16/13 11:07 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:28:21 +0200 > Karsten Loesing wrote: > >> Why do I tell you this? >> >> Because the old approach uses resources on our poor, already >> overloaded metrics machine, and I'm planning to shut down the old >> approach in the very near

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-17 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/16/13 10:55 PM, Matthew Finkel wrote: > Awesome work with these metrics. I am curious, however, why the new > metrics are more correct than the old ones. The graphs are definitely > smoother and including the requests to the Dir Auths seems correct, > but are there other specific reasons for t

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-17 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/16/13 8:36 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: > I would actually really appreciate the old numbers (from ~2007-8/2013) > being kept online. Estimating growth over time and mapping spikes is > kind of a big deal to me. =) I see. How about I put the CSV files for direct and bridge users, estimated wi

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-17 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 06:02:14PM -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: > I think it would be good to write a paragraph or two to answer Matthew's > question -- why are these new numbers different, and what makes us think > they're better? Speaking of which: https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html#dir

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-16 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 08:28:21PM +0200, Karsten Loesing wrote: > Here's the plan: > > - Compute user numbers for 2012 and before; the current numbers start > on January 1, 2013. This is going to take at least until September 23. Sounds good. That sounds like it will resolve Griffin's question

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-16 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:28:21 +0200 Karsten Loesing wrote: > Why do I tell you this? > > Because the old approach uses resources on our poor, already > overloaded metrics machine, and I'm planning to shut down the old > approach in the very near future. Here's the plan: > > - Compute user numb

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-16 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 08:28:21PM +0200, Karsten Loesing wrote: > Hi everyone, > > some of you may already know our new approach to estimating daily Tor users: > > https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html#userstats > > This new approach is in beta since April, and I'm quite happy with it. > I

Re: [tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-16 Thread Griffin Boyce
I would actually really appreciate the old numbers (from ~2007-8/2013) being kept online. Estimating growth over time and mapping spikes is kind of a big deal to me. =) ~Griffin On 09/16/2013 02:28 PM, Karsten Loesing wrote: > Hi everyone, > > some of you may already know our new approach to

[tor-dev] Retiring old user number estimates

2013-09-16 Thread Karsten Loesing
Hi everyone, some of you may already know our new approach to estimating daily Tor users: https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html#userstats This new approach is in beta since April, and I'm quite happy with it. I trust the new numbers more than the old ones, both for direct users and bridge us