Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-14 Thread George Kadianakis
George Kadianakis writes: > George Kadianakis writes: > >> Hello there, >> >> I inline a copy of a proposal we've been working on lately. Discussion >> can be found in the "Feedback on obfuscating hidden-service statistics" >> thread. >> >> The proposal suggests that Tor relays add some stats ab

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-11 Thread Karsten Loesing
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Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-11 Thread Karsten Loesing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/12/14 14:31, A. Johnson wrote: >> Can you be more explicit with regard to privacy guarantees of the >> obfuscation schema that is currently implemented: 1) binning, >> 2) add Laplace noise, 3) no second binning. > > I’ll discuss this in terms o

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-11 Thread Karsten Loesing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/12/14 14:31, A. Johnson wrote: >> Can you be more explicit with regard to privacy guarantees of the >> obfuscation schema that is currently implemented: 1) binning, >> 2) add Laplace noise, 3) no second binning. > > I’ll discuss this in terms o

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-11 Thread A. Johnson
> Can you be more explicit with regard to privacy guarantees of the > obfuscation schema that is currently implemented: 1) binning, 2) add > Laplace noise, 3) no second binning. I’ll discuss this in terms of attacks on the stats of the number of HS descriptors. Binning: Suppose an adversary know

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-11 Thread Karsten Loesing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/12/14 15:37, A. Johnson wrote: >> But I don't see the value of binning the result once more. In a >> sense, we're already binning signal + noise by cutting off the >> float part. I don't see what we gain by reducing resolution >> even more.

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-10 Thread A. Johnson
> But I don't see the value of binning the result once more. In a > sense, we're already binning signal + noise by cutting off the float > part. I don't see what we gain by reducing resolution even more. It > seems just unnecessary. In principle releasing the number could result in different d

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-10 Thread Karsten Loesing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/12/14 20:20, A. Johnson wrote: >> This indeed seems plausible under the powerful assumption that >> the underlying stat is constant. > > Actually it applies to any known relative pattern, for example, > that the number increases by 1 each time.

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-09 Thread A. Johnson
> This indeed seems plausible under the powerful assumption that the > underlying stat is constant. Actually it applies to any known relative pattern, for example, that the number increases by 1 each time. > where the additive noise is applied to the center of the first bin? Yes, you can look a

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-09 Thread George Kadianakis
"A. Johnson" writes: > Hi George, > Hello! > I recommend a change to the way that these statistics are > obfuscated. The problem is that new noise is used every day, and from > the distribution of the reported bins, the exact location within the > bin (assuming the stat stats constant) can be r

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-09 Thread A. Johnson
Hi George, I recommend a change to the way that these statistics are obfuscated. The problem is that new noise is used every day, and from the distribution of the reported bins, the exact location within the bin (assuming the stat stats constant) can be reported. So instead of this >

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-12-08 Thread George Kadianakis
George Kadianakis writes: > Hello there, > > I inline a copy of a proposal we've been working on lately. Discussion > can be found in the "Feedback on obfuscating hidden-service statistics" > thread. > > The proposal suggests that Tor relays add some stats about hidden > service usage. We believe

[tor-dev] Proposal draft: Better hidden service stats from Tor relays

2014-11-25 Thread George Kadianakis
Hello there, I inline a copy of a proposal we've been working on lately. Discussion can be found in the "Feedback on obfuscating hidden-service statistics" thread. The proposal suggests that Tor relays add some stats about hidden service usage. We believe that these stats are not dangerous and ca