Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-09-30 Thread Tom van der Woerdt
Op 12/07/15 om 23:48 schreef John Brooks: Hello! George and I, along with the other participants of this hidden services meeting, have written a proposal for the idea to merge hidden service directories and introduction points into the same entity along with proposal 224. Comments are encourage

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-08-20 Thread teor
> On 21 Aug 2015, at 04:36, s7r wrote: > > If we merge introduction points with HSDirs, we have no option but to > use the same introduction points, regardless how many INTRODUCE2 cells > we get through them, until the new shared-RNG consensus value (24 > hours normally, in case nothing bad happ

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-08-20 Thread s7r
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Worth mentioning, after #15745 we rotate the introduction points after between 16384 and 32768 (random) introductions and/or a lifetime of 18 to 24 hours (random). If we merge introduction points with HSDirs, we have no option but to use the sa

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-08-20 Thread George Kadianakis
Michael Rogers writes: > On 12/07/15 22:48, John Brooks wrote: >> 1.3. Other effects on proposal 224 >> >>An adversarial introduction point is not significantly more capable than a >>hidden service directory under proposal 224. The differences are: >> >> 1. The introduction point m

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-08-19 Thread Michael Rogers
On 12/07/15 22:48, John Brooks wrote: > 1.3. Other effects on proposal 224 > >An adversarial introduction point is not significantly more capable than a >hidden service directory under proposal 224. The differences are: > > 1. The introduction point maintains a long-lived circuit wit

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-29 Thread A. Johnson
> FWIW, I was running a simulation of this algorithm with the first week > of July's consensuses when Isis posted the following way smarter > algorithm: > >> A better algorithm would be a Consistent Hashring, modified to dynamically >> allocate replications in proportion to fraction of total bandw

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-27 Thread Nicholas Hopper
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:56 PM, isis wrote: > Aaron Johnson transcribed 2.1K bytes: >> > > That seems easy to fix. Make the number of Introduction Points the same >> > > as it was before and make them be selected in a bandwidth-weight >> > > way. There is no cost to this. You need IPs to be onli

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-23 Thread isis
Aaron Johnson transcribed 2.1K bytes: > > > That seems easy to fix. Make the number of Introduction Points the same > > > as it was before and make them be selected in a bandwidth-weight > > > way. There is no cost to this. You need IPs to be online, and so > > > whatever number was used in the pas

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-20 Thread Aaron Johnson
>> That seems easy to fix. Make the number of Introduction Points the same as >> it was before and make them be selected in a bandwidth-weight way. There is >> no cost to this. You need IPs to be online, and so whatever number was used >> in the past will yield the same availability now. And ban

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-20 Thread Aaron Johnson
> On Jul 20, 2015, at 4:03 PM, John Brooks wrote: > > A. Johnson wrote: > >>> This proposal doubles the default number of IPs and reduces the “cost" >>> of being an IP since the probability of being selected is no longer >>> bandwidth-weighted. Is this a fair tradeoff for the performance >>> i

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-20 Thread John Brooks
A. Johnson wrote: >> This proposal doubles the default number of IPs and reduces the “cost" >> of being an IP since the probability of being selected is no longer >> bandwidth-weighted. Is this a fair tradeoff for the performance >> improvement? > > That seems easy to fix. Make the number of Int

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-20 Thread John Brooks
Nicholas Hopper wrote: > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 4:48 PM, John Brooks > wrote: >> Comments are encouraged, especially if there are downsides or side >> effects >> that we haven’t written about yet, or that you have a different opinion >> on. >> The intent is that we can decide to do this before

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-20 Thread Nicholas Hopper
Hi Aaron, On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:54 PM, A. Johnson wrote: >> This proposal doubles the default number of IPs and reduces the "cost" >> of being an IP since the probability of being selected is no longer >> bandwidth-weighted. Is this a fair tradeoff for the performance >> improvement? > > Tha

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-17 Thread A. Johnson
> This proposal doubles the default number of IPs and reduces the "cost" > of being an IP since the probability of being selected is no longer > bandwidth-weighted. Is this a fair tradeoff for the performance > improvement? That seems easy to fix. Make the number of Introduction Points the same a

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-15 Thread Nicholas Hopper
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 4:48 PM, John Brooks wrote: > > Comments are encouraged, especially if there are downsides or side effects > that we haven’t written about yet, or that you have a different opinion on. > The intent is that we can decide to do this before implementing proposal > 224, so they

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-13 Thread John Brooks
teor wrote: > >> On 13 Jul 2015, at 07:48 , John Brooks >> wrote: > >> 4.2. Restriction on the number of intro points and impact on load >> balancing >> >> One drawback of this proposal is that the number of introduction points >> of a >> hidden service is now a constant global paramete

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-12 Thread teor
> On 13 Jul 2015, at 07:48 , John Brooks wrote: > > Hello! > > George and I, along with the other participants of this hidden services > meeting, have written a proposal for the idea to merge hidden service > directories and introduction points into the same entity along with proposal > 224. >

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-12 Thread s7r
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 arma - isn't prop 246 already taken? Filename: 246-hs-guard-discovery.txt Title: Defending Against Guard Discovery Attacks using Vanguards Author: George Kadianakis Created: 2015-07-10 Status: Draft On 7/13/2015 1:12 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: >

Re: [tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-12 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 05:48:12PM -0400, John Brooks wrote: > Filename: xxx-merge-hsdir-and-intro.txt > Title: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points > Author: John Brooks, George Kadianakis > Created: 2015-07-12 Thanks! I have added it as proposal 246. --Roger _

[tor-dev] Proposal: Merging Hidden Service Directories and Introduction Points

2015-07-12 Thread John Brooks
Hello! George and I, along with the other participants of this hidden services meeting, have written a proposal for the idea to merge hidden service directories and introduction points into the same entity along with proposal 224. Comments are encouraged, especially if there are downsides or side