Re: [tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-29 Thread Tariq Elahi
On 2013-05-29 5:48 AM, Philipp Winter wrote: On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 07:55:45PM -0400, Tariq Elahi wrote: 2. Can manipulate (add, delete, change) said traffic in time and data dimensions. The challenge is to predict what can actually be done with these three simple atoms. Be it terminating non

Re: [tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-29 Thread Philipp Winter
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 07:55:45PM -0400, Tariq Elahi wrote: > 2. Can manipulate (add, delete, change) said traffic in time and data > dimensions. The challenge is to predict what can actually be done with these three simple atoms. Be it terminating non-whitelisted TCP connections after 60 second

Re: [tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-28 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 02:33:40PM -0400, Tom Ritter wrote: > I have another idea. (Not "another" in the sense of "do this instead", but > "another" in the sense of "maybe do this additionally"). > > Can a country block SSH? Surely state-sponsored network operations take > place over SSH, so I s

Re: [tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-28 Thread Tariq Elahi
On 2013-05-28 4:42 PM, adrelanos wrote: The more pluggable transports, the better. Maybe if there are enough transports, the other side just gives up. My interest is piqued by this statement and similar sounding ones that I hear, and myself also think, when talking about censorship. I suspect

Re: [tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-28 Thread adrelanos
Tom Ritter: > On 28 May 2013 14:51, adrelanos wrote: > >> How good are SSH connections with hiding what's inside? >> >> Website fingerprinting has demonstrated, that SSH connections may hide >> communication contents, but which website was visited, could be guessed >> with a fairly good results.

Re: [tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-28 Thread Philipp Winter
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 02:33:40PM -0400, Tom Ritter wrote: > Can a country block SSH?  Surely state-sponsored network operations take place > over SSH, so I suspect a country cannot block it quickly, easily, and without > internal retaliation from it's legitimate users.  Bureaucracy.   There woul

Re: [tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-28 Thread Tom Ritter
On 28 May 2013 14:51, adrelanos wrote: > How good are SSH connections with hiding what's inside? > > Website fingerprinting has demonstrated, that SSH connections may hide > communication contents, but which website was visited, could be guessed > with a fairly good results. > > Tor isn't a websi

Re: [tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-28 Thread Ian Goldberg
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 03:59:15PM +0100, Steven Murdoch wrote: > Hi Chang, > > We've been discussing how to build better pluggable transports for Tor as > part of your application to Google Summer of Code. Now that you've been > accepted, I thought it would be good to bring this discussion to t

Re: [tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-28 Thread adrelanos
How good are SSH connections with hiding what's inside? Website fingerprinting has demonstrated, that SSH connections may hide communication contents, but which website was visited, could be guessed with a fairly good results. Tor isn't a website, but if SSH leaks which website has been visited e

Re: [tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-28 Thread Tom Ritter
I have another idea. (Not "another" in the sense of "do this instead", but "another" in the sense of "maybe do this additionally"). Can a country block SSH? Surely state-sponsored network operations take place over SSH, so I suspect a country cannot block it quickly, easily, and without internal

[tor-dev] Building better pluggable transports (Google Summer of Code)

2013-05-28 Thread Steven Murdoch
Hi Chang, We've been discussing how to build better pluggable transports for Tor as part of your application to Google Summer of Code. Now that you've been accepted, I thought it would be good to bring this discussion to tor-dev so that others can contribute. The basic idea behind the project