Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-12-10 Thread Mike Perry
Erinn Clark: > * Ralf-Philipp Weinmann [2013:11:17 10:25 +0100]: > > Getting TBB into the App Store would definitely help increase its > > visibility on > > the OSX side. However, I am not really in favour of giving a US company a > > list > > of all users having downloaded TBB plus information

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-12-09 Thread coderman
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Erinn Clark wrote: > ... > I tried to get the licensing agreements earlier this year and they are, as far > as I can tell, not available until you actually sign up. If someone reading > this has put something in the app store (which may or may not be different > f

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-20 Thread Adam Shostack
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 02:07:26PM -0500, Nathan Freitas wrote: | >>> Getting TBB into the App Store would definitely help increase | >>> its visibility on the OSX side. However, I am not really in | >>> favour of giving a US company a list of all users having | >>> downloaded TBB plus information

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-20 Thread Griffin Boyce
Sorry for taking so long to respond to this thread. Responses are (mostly) inline below. At a training event a couple of days ago, a user was sketched out by the warning her Mac gave her -- in spite of the advance notice she'd been given by the trainers. Erinn Clark wrote: > Please see Ralf's

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-18 Thread Nathan Freitas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/2013 02:07 PM, Nathan Freitas wrote: > Now, mobile is different, because the behaviors of users looking > to find and install software is quite different than on the > web/desktop. As a side note, for those interested, we are really investing

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-18 Thread Nathan Freitas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/2013 01:39 PM, Erinn Clark wrote: > * Ralf-Philipp Weinmann [2013:11:17 10:25 > +0100]: >>> Getting TBB into the App Store would definitely help increase >>> its visibility on the OSX side. However, I am not really in >>> favour of giving a U

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-18 Thread Erinn Clark
* Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) [2013:11:17 11:08 +0100]: > I think, as already discussed here [1] and [2], that TBB *must* goes in > all kind of application store. Please see Ralf's reply to me elsewhere in the thread -- do you still think this while taking into account what we know about US compani

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-18 Thread Erinn Clark
* Ralf-Philipp Weinmann [2013:11:17 10:25 +0100]: > Getting TBB into the App Store would definitely help increase its visibility > on > the OSX side. However, I am not really in favour of giving a US company a list > of all users having downloaded TBB plus information whether or not they are >

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-17 Thread andrew
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 08:30:23PM -0500, grif...@cryptolab.net wrote 1.7K bytes in 0 lines about: : - Submit Apple agreements to Wendy for review and : rejection/acceptance. The last mention of this was a year ago on #6540. We have corporate lawyers for The Tor Project. I haven't spent the mon

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-17 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 11/11/13 2:30 AM, Griffin Boyce ha scritto: > - Actively decide to continue without being blessed by Apple, but > focusing instead on educating Mac users about their application security > options. I think, as already discussed here [1] and [2], that TBB *must* goes in all kind of application

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-17 Thread Ralf-Philipp Weinmann
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 09:15:58AM +, Georg Koppen wrote: > Erinn Clark: > > I am at this point in favor of signing OSX packages with their codesigning > > but > > How is this supposed to work with Gitian? I don't see the problem. You can still verify the output of your Gitian build against

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-17 Thread Ralf-Philipp Weinmann
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 09:58:40PM -0200, Erinn Clark wrote: > * Griffin Boyce [2013:11:10 20:30 -0500]: > > It's been a while since there's been a discussion on-list about > > getting the TBB into Apple's app store [1]. Interest hasn't really gone > > away in the intervening 13 months, so I j

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-17 Thread Georg Koppen
Erinn Clark: > I am at this point in favor of signing OSX packages with their codesigning but How is this supposed to work with Gitian? Georg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-16 Thread Erinn Clark
* Griffin Boyce [2013:11:10 20:30 -0500]: > It's been a while since there's been a discussion on-list about > getting the TBB into Apple's app store [1]. Interest hasn't really gone > away in the intervening 13 months, so I just want to open up discussion > about it. Are there a lot of people

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-11 Thread Justin Findlay
On 11/11/2013 05:36 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: It seems Apple's terms are incompatible with copyleft, and that isn't likely to change. Is there any copylefted code in TBB? I would expect so, but I haven't enumerated it. People who choose copyleft for their code do so for a reason, and

Re: [tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-11 Thread Greg Troxel
Griffin Boyce writes: > Here are the issues as I see them: > - Apple has traditionally been at odds with GPL-licensed stuff [3], > though of late it seems to have relaxed a bit with dual-licensed > material [2]. > - If the TBB is added to the app store by Tor, it requires review of > and agre

[tor-dev] Apple App Store Redux

2013-11-10 Thread Griffin Boyce
It's been a while since there's been a discussion on-list about getting the TBB into Apple's app store [1]. Interest hasn't really gone away in the intervening 13 months, so I just want to open up discussion about it. Here are the issues as I see them: - Apple has traditionally been at odds w