Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-11 Thread Paul Syverson
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 01:36:35PM -0500, A. Johnson wrote: [snip] > > >>> I have heard someone (forget who) propose that 'Dark Web' be > >>> dropped in favour of CipherSpace which could include all of these > >>> privacy perserving protocols, leaving terms like "OnionSpace" for > >>> Tor, "I2P

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-11 Thread A. Johnson
>> It is interesting that you raise this, because we at I2P have been >> thinking the same thing. We discussed the issue of I2P terminology at >> 31C3 and decided that after 12 years of Tor/I2P coexistence, Tor had >> the upper hand with regard to commonplace terminology. >> >> In our next release

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-11 Thread Paul Syverson
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:52:37AM +, str4d wrote: > > Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > > A. Johnson wrote: > > > >> Several of us [0] working on hidden services have been talking > >> about adopting better terminology. > > > > In general, I am in agreement with this, but I wonder if now might

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-11 Thread str4d
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > A. Johnson wrote: > >> Several of us [0] working on hidden services have been talking >> about adopting better terminology. > > In general, I am in agreement with this, but I wonder if now might > be a good time to un

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-11 Thread grarpamp
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: >> Several of us [0] working on hidden services have been talking about >> adopting better terminology. > > In general, I am in agreement with this, but I wonder if now might be > a good time to unify Tor terminology with other similar te

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-10 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
A. Johnson wrote: > Several of us [0] working on hidden services have been talking about > adopting better terminology. In general, I am in agreement with this, but I wonder if now might be a good time to unify Tor terminology with other similar technologies like I2P and Cjdns/Hyperboria. I have

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-10 Thread A. Johnson
Good point. We (the Sponsor R group) have done no usability testing nor are we planning to. I don’t think we really have the time or skills for that, unfortunately. Maybe Tor more broadly has resources to put into a sophisticated re-branding effort. In any case, we do use these words every day a

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-10 Thread A. Johnson
Roger, your suggestion to prefer “onion service” regardless of any client or server short-circuiting is in line with our suggestions. When server-short-circuiting becomes an actual thing, then Paul may argue that a different name is appropriate (depending on if it uses an onion address, as I un

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-10 Thread Adam Shostack
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 01:13:26PM -0500, A. Johnson wrote: | Hello all, | | Several of us [0] working on hidden services have been talking about adopting better terminology. Some of the problem | 1. '''onion service''' should be preferred to refer to what is now called a "hidden service"

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-10 Thread Paul Syverson
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 01:41:35PM -0500, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 01:13:26PM -0500, A. Johnson wrote: > > 1. '''onion service''' should be preferred to refer to what is now > > called a "hidden service". If other flavors of onion services develop in > > the future, t

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-10 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 01:13:26PM -0500, A. Johnson wrote: > 1. '''onion service''' should be preferred to refer to what is now > called a "hidden service". If other flavors of onion services develop in the > future, this term could refer to all of them, with more specific terms being > u

Re: [tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-10 Thread Nathan Freitas
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015, at 01:13 PM, A. Johnson wrote: > Hello all, > > Several of us [0] working on hidden services have been talking about > adopting better terminology. I agree 100% with the term list and am eager to start using it. Some of the problems with current terms areh > 1. '''Hi

[tor-dev] A proposal to change hidden service terminology

2015-02-10 Thread A. Johnson
Hello all, Several of us [0] working on hidden services have been talking about adopting better terminology. Some of the problems with current terms are 1. '''Hidden''' and '''Dark''' have a negative connotations. 2. '''Hidden-service website''' is too long; '''hidden site''' is t