Re: [tor-dev] Is anyone using tor-fw-helper? (Was Re: BOINC-based Tor wrapper)

2015-07-24 Thread coderman
On 7/24/15, Yawning Angel wrote: > ... > I have less objections towards people using tor-fw-helper for bridges > than for something like flashproxy or full fledged relays. > ... > IMO similar to relays with insufficient bandwidth, relays that can't > connect to any other relay on demand as require

Re: [tor-dev] Is anyone using tor-fw-helper? (Was Re: BOINC-based Tor wrapper)

2015-07-24 Thread Yawning Angel
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:21:31 + Jacob Appelbaum wrote: [snip] > > At this point with all the resources available, I will guess that if > > the user needs something like tor-fw-helper, they probably have no > > idea what router firmware is. > > > > Right - but why should they need to know? The

Re: [tor-dev] Is anyone using tor-fw-helper? (Was Re: BOINC-based Tor wrapper)

2015-07-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 7/24/15, Yawning Angel wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:46:26 + > Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > [snip] >> > Do users know that their router's implementation of NAT-PMP/uPnP is >> > shit? >> >> Who knows better than the user? And who better than the user to take >> an action and to learn it? >

Re: [tor-dev] Is anyone using tor-fw-helper? (Was Re: BOINC-based Tor wrapper)

2015-07-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 7/23/15, David Stainton wrote: >> Why are we avoiding allowing users to make this choice because of the >> above reasons? If a user wants to run a relay or a bridge, we should >> make it easy. We don't answer the above questions when it is hard - >> are we really off the hook there? It just see