Re: [tor-dev] Too many cooks spoil the broth---or: how about we clean up the wiki?

2011-06-10 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 6/11/11 6:13 AM, Robert Ransom wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:08:46 +0200 > Karsten Loesing wrote: > >> By the way, what happens if we rename wiki pages? I guess Trac will >> update all internal links, but external links (e.g., from the website) >> will be broken? We could fix our own websi

Re: [tor-dev] Too many cooks spoil the broth---or: how about we clean up the wiki?

2011-06-10 Thread Robert Ransom
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:08:46 +0200 Karsten Loesing wrote: > By the way, what happens if we rename wiki pages? I guess Trac will > update all internal links, but external links (e.g., from the website) > will be broken? We could fix our own website, but other websites would > still be broken. H

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Robert Ransom wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:15:43 + > Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > >> I think that we should probably setup a hidden service on each one and >> ensure that we can remotely administrate them with the consent of the >> testers. This will help us to

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Robert Ransom
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:15:43 + Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > I think that we should probably setup a hidden service on each one and > ensure that we can remotely administrate them with the consent of the > testers. This will help us to perhaps make some of these choices differently > down the road

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
> > I haven't converted my DreamPlug to Debian yet, but will try to do > this over the weekend. I'll be sure to document the process as well. > Ok. This seems like a good starting point: http://blog.davideaves.com/archives/2011/03/21/installing_debian_gnulinux_6_0_1_squeeze_on_the_dreamplug/ I lov

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Runa A. Sandvik > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Runa A. Sandvik >> wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM,   wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Runa A. Sandvik > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM, wrote: > >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote > 2.9K bytes in 75 lines about: > >> : The whole point wit

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM, wrote: > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote > 2.9K bytes in 75 lines about: > > : The whole point with the Torouter is to allow more people to run a > > : bridge or a

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM,   wrote: >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote 2.9K >> bytes in 75 lines about: >> : The whole point with the Torouter is to allow more people to run a >> : bridge or a

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM, wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote 2.9K > bytes in 75 lines about: > : The whole point with the Torouter is to allow more people to run a > : bridge or a relay, so I see a web interface as something mandatory. So > :

Re: [tor-dev] Too many cooks spoil the broth---or: how about we clean up the wiki?

2011-06-10 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 6/10/11 1:30 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2011-Jun-10 12:08, Karsten Loesing wrote: > [..] >> Here's my plan: I'd like to rename (possibly a lot of) wiki pages so >> that the naming scheme implies a kind of wiki structure. I'd also add a >> page saying where stuff should go, and we'll beat up

Re: [tor-dev] Too many cooks spoil the broth---or: how about we clean up the wiki?

2011-06-10 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 6/10/11 2:03 PM, and...@torproject.org wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:08:46PM +0200, karsten.loes...@gmx.net wrote 7.5K > bytes in 279 lines about: > : I think the main problem is that there's no obvious structure in the > : wiki, so everyone just adds their stuff anywhere, maybe thinking

Re: [tor-dev] Too many cooks spoil the broth---or: how about we clean up the wiki?

2011-06-10 Thread andrew
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:08:46PM +0200, karsten.loes...@gmx.net wrote 7.5K bytes in 279 lines about: : I think the main problem is that there's no obvious structure in the : wiki, so everyone just adds their stuff anywhere, maybe thinking that : someone else will move it to the right place. The

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread andrew
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:56:25PM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote 2.9K bytes in 75 lines about: : The whole point with the Torouter is to allow more people to run a : bridge or a relay, so I see a web interface as something mandatory. So : yeah, we'd have to make sure that the interface is se

Re: [tor-dev] The Torouter and the DreamPlug

2011-06-10 Thread andrew
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:50:09PM +, ja...@appelbaum.net wrote 15K bytes in 359 lines about: : What's the rational there? While we certainly need more bridges, I'd like to Our funding for this project is to create more bridges to allow censored users to access the less-censored Internet from

Re: [tor-dev] Too many cooks spoil the broth---or: how about we clean up the wiki?

2011-06-10 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2011-Jun-10 12:08, Karsten Loesing wrote: [..] > Here's my plan: I'd like to rename (possibly a lot of) wiki pages so > that the naming scheme implies a kind of wiki structure. I'd also add a > page saying where stuff should go, and we'll beat up everyone not > adhering to the structure in a jo

[tor-dev] Too many cooks spoil the broth---or: how about we clean up the wiki?

2011-06-10 Thread Karsten Loesing
Hello everyone, Today I looked at our wiki to add roadmaps for some products and realized what a mess the wiki is. This wasn't obvious to me, because I stopped using the wiki long ago, well, because it was such a mess. But boy, it has become worse! I think the main problem is that there's no ob

Re: [tor-dev] Tor and BGP integration

2011-06-10 Thread grarpamp
> this is just a way to encourage network operators >(who want to play nice) to run more than a middle node without a > lot of overhead. Or do I misunderstand? You're fine. I was only speaking of the internet path between the exit and regular internet services. Such as what happens if a Tier-1/2 p