Re: [tor-dev] New paper by Goldberg, Stebila, and Ustaoglu with proposed circuit handshake

2011-05-11 Thread Douglas Stebila
On 2011/05/12, at 10:33, Ian Goldberg wrote: >>> Remember also that if you have non-black-box access to the >>> exponentiation routine, the server can compute X^y and X^b >>> simultaneously. That will make a bigger difference in time, but is not >>> really relevant from a spec-level standpoint. >

Re: [tor-dev] Fairness between circuits

2011-05-11 Thread Nick Mathewson
2011/5/6 Björn Scheuermann : [...] > We implemented Tor's scheduling mechanisms, the N23 extension, and our > fairness mechanism in an event-based network simulator (ns-3). > Independent from the question of inter-circuit fairness, we were able to > confirm the key findings in the DefenestraTor tec

Re: [tor-dev] New paper by Goldberg, Stebila, and Ustaoglu with proposed circuit handshake

2011-05-11 Thread Ian Goldberg
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 08:01:28PM -0400, Nick Mathewson wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Ian Goldberg wrote: > [...] > > Remember also that if you have non-black-box access to the > > exponentiation routine, the server can compute X^y and X^b > > simultaneously.  That will make a bigger

Re: [tor-dev] New paper by Goldberg, Stebila, and Ostaoglu with proposed circuit handshake

2011-05-11 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Ian Goldberg wrote: [...] > Remember also that if you have non-black-box access to the > exponentiation routine, the server can compute X^y and X^b > simultaneously.  That will make a bigger difference in time, but is not > really relevant from a spec-level standp

Re: [tor-dev] New paper by Goldberg, Stebila, and Ostaoglu with proposed circuit handshake

2011-05-11 Thread Ian Goldberg
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 03:42:30PM -0400, Nick Mathewson wrote: > RIght. If we can get away with something faster than HMAC_SHA256 > here, I'd love to move to it. SHA3 is right around the corner, and > most of the candidates seem to allow better constructions for > "tweakability" than HMAC. > >

Re: [tor-dev] New paper by Goldberg, Stebila, and Ostaoglu with proposed circuit handshake

2011-05-11 Thread Ian Goldberg
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 02:55:43PM -0500, Watson Ladd wrote: > > Careful!  The arguments to curve25519 are (output, exponent, base). > > (Note the order; that confused me when we were coding up Sphinx.) > > Presumably you meant for EXP(a,b) to mean a^b, though. > > > > Note that 9 does not have pri

Re: [tor-dev] New paper by Goldberg, Stebila, and Ustaoglu with proposed circuit handshake

2011-05-11 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Ian Goldberg wrote: > [+ Douglas, Berkant] > BTW, apologies to Berkant for misspelling his name! ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev

Re: [tor-dev] New paper by Goldberg, Stebila, and Ostaoglu with proposed circuit handshake

2011-05-11 Thread Watson Ladd
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Ian Goldberg wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 01:33:17PM -0400, Nick Mathewson wrote: >> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Ian Goldberg wrote: >>  [...] >> [...] > >>   Set H(x,t) == HMAC_SHA256 with message x and key t. So H_LENGTH == 32. >>   Set t_mac   == PROTO

Re: [tor-dev] New paper by Goldberg, Stebila, and Ostaoglu with proposed circuit handshake

2011-05-11 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Ian Goldberg wrote: Thanks! I think the git version has most of the trivial stuff cleaned up now (thanks for a patch from George Kadianakis). I've also made notes for most of your suggestions. > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 01:33:17PM -0400, Nick Mathewson wrote:

Re: [tor-dev] New paper by Goldberg, Stebila, and Ostaoglu with proposed circuit handshake

2011-05-11 Thread Ian Goldberg
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 01:33:17PM -0400, Nick Mathewson wrote: > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Ian Goldberg wrote: > [...] > >>   * I'm hoping to write this up as a proposed spec soon, unless Ian or > >> somebody wants to give it a shot. > > > > Please go ahead. > > Here's a draft sketch tha

Re: [tor-dev] New paper by Goldberg, Stebila, and Ostaoglu with proposed circuit handshake

2011-05-11 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Ian Goldberg wrote: [...] >>   * I'm hoping to write this up as a proposed spec soon, unless Ian or >> somebody wants to give it a shot. > > Please go ahead. Here's a draft sketch that I've put into proposals/ideas in the the torspec repository. Please let me kn