Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Giovanni Bechis
Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: "Modern Operating Systems" is mostly of historic value -- the "modern" is relative to the state of the art of the 1970, early 1980. Latest release covers Linux, Windows Vista and Symbian, this is quite "modern". Cheers Giovanni

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Marco Peereboom
That book is very relevant. Modern really means "add more shit". On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 09:04:31PM +0100, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 08:54:30PM +0100, Thomas Pfaff wrote: > > A few books on this topic in general worth mentioning is "Modern Operating > > Systems" by Tanen

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 08:54:30PM +0100, Thomas Pfaff wrote: > A few books on this topic in general worth mentioning is "Modern Operating > Systems" by Tanenbaum, "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation". The > latter one details the MINIX system, though. "Modern Operating Systems" is most

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Thomas Pfaff
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:24:00 -0300 Robert Yuri wrote: > which the best way to learn about OpenBSD kernel ? > I found a bunch of docs from FreeBSD site such as developer's handbook at > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ , > there any same that for openbsd ? > >

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Gleydson Soares
/usr/src/* On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Robert Yuri wrote: > which the best way to learn about OpenBSD kernel ? > I found a bunch of docs from FreeBSD site such as developer's handbook at > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ , > there any same that for openb

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Ted Unangst
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Robert Yuri wrote: > which the best way to learn about OpenBSD kernel ? I have mixed feelings about the need for an OpenBSD specific resource. There are man pages for the people who want to know *what* the kernel does (or is supposed to do). But if you want to

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:55:53PM -0500, Bryan Allen wrote: > +-- > | On 2009-12-10 10:47:06, Darrin Chandler wrote: > | > | > /usr/src/sys/nfs > | > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs.* > | > a bottle of red wine > | > lots of lube >

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Bret S. Lambert
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:40:16AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > /usr/src/sys/nfs > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs.* > a bottle of red wine > lots of lube > and a teacup to collect your tears. You had me at "hello."

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Bret S. Lambert
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:49:51PM -0300, Robert Yuri wrote: > I'll learn just reading kernel code ? > so, many night you need to understand it ? Absolutely: $ pwd /usr/src/sys/kern $ wc -l * | tail -n 1 64300 total It's going to take you many nights just to *read* it. Not to mention the nam

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread nealHogan
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:55:53PM -0500, Bryan Allen wrote: > +-- > | On 2009-12-10 10:47:06, Darrin Chandler wrote: > | > | > /usr/src/sys/nfs > | > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs.* > | > a bottle of red wine > | > lots of lube >

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Bryan Allen
+-- | On 2009-12-10 10:47:06, Darrin Chandler wrote: | | > /usr/src/sys/nfs | > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs.* | > a bottle of red wine | > lots of lube | > and a teacup to collect your tears. | | nfs? ditch the teacup and get a

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Ian Darwin
Robert Yuri wrote: I'll learn just reading kernel code ? so, many night you need to understand it ? Oh yes. Many.

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Robert Yuri
I'll learn just reading kernel code ? so, many night you need to understand it ? On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Bob Beck wrote: > > 2009/12/10 Bret S. Lambert : > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:24:00PM -0300, Robert Yuri wrote: > >> which the best way to learn about OpenBSD kernel ? > >> I found

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:40:16AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > 2009/12/10 Bret S. Lambert : > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:24:00PM -0300, Robert Yuri wrote: > >> which the best way to learn about OpenBSD kernel ? > >> I found a bunch of docs from FreeBSD site such as developer's handbook at > >> http:

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Bob Beck
2009/12/10 Bret S. Lambert : > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:24:00PM -0300, Robert Yuri wrote: >> which the best way to learn about OpenBSD kernel ? >> I found a bunch of docs from FreeBSD site such as developer's handbook at >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ , >

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Bob Beck
for the kernel sections in there man release man crash that pretty much gives you what that tells you. Neither of which tells you how to do kernel hacking. Start reading code and understanding it. 2009/12/10 Robert Yuri : > which the best way to learn about OpenBSD kernel ? > I found a

Re: kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Bret S. Lambert
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:24:00PM -0300, Robert Yuri wrote: > which the best way to learn about OpenBSD kernel ? > I found a bunch of docs from FreeBSD site such as developer's handbook at > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ , > there any same that for openbsd ?

kernel hacking

2009-12-10 Thread Robert Yuri
which the best way to learn about OpenBSD kernel ? I found a bunch of docs from FreeBSD site such as developer's handbook at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ , there any same that for openbsd ? thanks, ry