Re: ZZZ and extra mountpoints

2022-10-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
Mark Kettenis wrote: > > I tend to agree that the complexity of this is out of scope for > > man pages. Understanding this properly requires reading books > > about computer architecture first. > > So I would phrase this as something like "device that the OpenBSD > kernel considers removable".

Re: ZZZ and extra mountpoints

2022-10-21 Thread Mark Kettenis
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 20:11:49 +0200 > From: Stefan Sperling > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 06:46:14PM +0100, Jason McIntyre wrote: > > pluggable? The word "removable" is probably a better choice as this is the language used by the ACPI and device tree standards. > It really is a very machine-s

Re: ZZZ and extra mountpoints

2022-10-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
Stefan Sperling wrote: > And perhaps the entire USB bus will be powered down when > the host controller goes to sleep, and all connected devices > will lose power. but oh ... the situation is even more complicated: There are situations where a machine won't suspend because a bus has power-draw

Re: ZZZ and extra mountpoints

2022-10-21 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 06:46:14PM +0100, Jason McIntyre wrote: > pluggable? It really is a very machine-specific question. It depends on how the manufaturer decided to connect devices to the mainboard, which is not always possible to tell from the perspective of software which runs on the machine

Re: ZZZ and extra mountpoints

2022-10-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
Jason McIntyre wrote: > > It is extremely complicated, there is no way to accurately explain > > in user-speak what devices detach and what devices don't detach. > > > > pluggable? Sorry, that is completely untrue. What kind of plug? A USB plug? A MMC plug? A PCI plug? A MINI-PCIE plug? A doc

Re: ZZZ and extra mountpoints

2022-10-21 Thread Jason McIntyre
On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 10:34:23AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Sol??ne Rapenne wrote: > > > I agree my sentence isn't good enough or is too much, but I think ZZZ > > explanations isn't enough in its current form > > Maybe it is lacking. But your previous diff didn't help anyone. > > > from y

Re: ZZZ and extra mountpoints

2022-10-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
Solène Rapenne wrote: > I agree my sentence isn't good enough or is too much, but I think ZZZ > explanations isn't enough in its current form Maybe it is lacking. But your previous diff didn't help anyone. > from your reply I got > information such as external devices that wasn't described in

Re: ZZZ and extra mountpoints

2022-10-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
I disagree with this sentence. The machine is unhiberated in the same way that an unsuspend happens. EVERYTHING is as it was before, except for one thing: Devices which are not known to be part of the machine, will have become detached, and if/when they reattach, configuration of them will be mis

Re: ZZZ and extra mountpoints

2022-10-21 Thread Alexander Hall
I think this adds nothing. It already states your system will be restored to its previous state, and so it will, as far as possible. Actually, specifically external (USB) disks, are probably *not* properly restored though... /Alexander On October 21, 2022 9:05:25 AM GMT+02:00, "Solène Rapenne"