Re: [systemd-devel] systemd --user broken

2013-07-27 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Oleksii Shevchuk wrote: >> For most other things: there are actually very few things that should >> use the environment as a data store and to pass around >> config/policy/runtime information; it's just a too broken and static >> model that should no be used in thi

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd --user broken

2013-07-27 Thread Oleksii Shevchuk
> For most other things: there are actually very few things that should > use the environment as a data store and to pass around > config/policy/runtime information; it's just a too broken and static > model that should no be used in this century. Probably yes. But who and when will reimplement al

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd --user broken

2013-07-27 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Oleksii Shevchuk wrote: >> It is, and always was, designed as a --user daemon, just like the name >> suggests, not as a session daemon. With the upcoming kdbus work, >> systemd --user will be the creator and owner of the user's bus, and >> there can and should only

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd --user broken

2013-07-27 Thread Oleksii Shevchuk
> It is, and always was, designed as a --user daemon, just like the name > suggests, not as a session daemon. With the upcoming kdbus work, > systemd --user will be the creator and owner of the user's bus, and > there can and should only be one per user and no per session. I understand this. But..

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd --user broken

2013-07-27 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Oleksii Shevchuk wrote: > >> It all needs still some work how things should work in the end > > Unfortunately, with shared session daemon It is, and always was, designed as a --user daemon, just like the name suggests, not as a session daemon. With the upcoming kd

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd --user broken

2013-07-27 Thread Oleksii Shevchuk
> It all needs still some work how things should work in the end Unfortunately, with shared session daemon there is no way to have display session managed by systemd -- too many problems should be solved. Mainly with attaching services to active seat/session (for polkit), environment propagation

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd --user broken

2013-07-27 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Léo Gillot-Lamure wrote: > All these big changes from systemd 205 seem good and yummy, but how do this > relates to the systemd --user sessions ? > > I used to launch all my desktop components (WM, panel, applets, > pulseaudio...) using systemd user units, systemd

[systemd-devel] systemd --user broken

2013-07-27 Thread Léo Gillot-Lamure
Hi. All these big changes from systemd 205 seem good and yummy, but how do this relates to the systemd --user sessions ? I used to launch all my desktop components (WM, panel, applets, pulseaudio...) using systemd user units, systemd --user itself being launched by my display manager, but now it