Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-22 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >> >> >> Am 18.03.2013 19:45, schrieb Kay Sievers: >>> I put an SSD in that crappy box today; it's down from 25 to 7 sec on >>> the otherwise identical system. :) >>> >>> So I'll no

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-22 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Holger Winkelmann [TP] wrote: > You are right, hopefully systemd will not turn into a direction > where only the ulra modern notebook or desktop can use it. > we see a lot of advantages to use systemd in embedded environments. > and we are talking here about_ > > -

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Holger Winkelmann [TP]
You are right, hopefully systemd will not turn into a direction where only the ulra modern notebook or desktop can use it. we see a lot of advantages to use systemd in embedded environments. and we are talking here about_ - 180-680 MHh MIPS, ARM CPUs - 4-32 MB Flash - 32-128MB RAM at the low end.

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 18.03.2013 19:45, schrieb Kay Sievers: >> I put an SSD in that crappy box today; it's down from 25 to 7 sec on >> the otherwise identical system. :) >> >> So I'll not need to debug any rotating media issues, I don't have any >> of the

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Holger Winkelmann wrote: > Hi, > > Just a quick note, Systemd is a core function on a core OS. > and a coreOS is likely to be started from flash drives. We have > i.e. ATCA devices starting from eUSB Sticks or even SD cards. > > After they started the nodes could h

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.03.2013 22:30, schrieb Holger Winkelmann: > Just a quick note, Systemd is a core function on a core OS. > and a coreOS is likely to be started from flash drives. We have > i.e. ATCA devices starting from eUSB Sticks or even SD cards. well, our ESXi starts also from a SD-card /dev/md1

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Holger Winkelmann
Hi, Just a quick note, Systemd is a core function on a core OS. and a coreOS is likely to be started from flash drives. We have i.e. ATCA devices starting from eUSB Sticks or even SD cards. After they started the nodes could have high perfomance SSD drives mounted for payload data, or even not st

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Reindl Harald > but keep in mind that for professional environments for many > years SSD is no option for some TB of data and even if > the price falls down you have to calculate redundancy for > RAID10 environemnts which can not be raplced by a SSD > due lack of relieability and no real-world

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.03.2013 19:45, schrieb Kay Sievers: > I put an SSD in that crappy box today; it's down from 25 to 7 sec on > the otherwise identical system. :) > > So I'll not need to debug any rotating media issues, I don't have any > of them again. :) this is nice for you but keep in mind that for pro

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Kay Sievers wrote: >> Here is a chart: >> http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg >> >> Rotating media and really cheap hardware looks very sad, and we take >> like 5 times longer t

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Kay Sievers wrote: > Here is a chart: > http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg > > Rotating media and really cheap hardware looks very sad, and we take > like 5 times longer to boot than Windows 8. I've seen many charts like that - in mos

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le lundi 18 mars 2013 à 14:34 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > On Mon, 18.03.13 09:39, Frederic Crozat ([email protected]) wrote: > > > Le dimanche 17 mars 2013 à 14:54 +0100, Kay Sievers a écrit : > > > Here is a chart: > > > http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg >

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 18.03.13 09:39, Frederic Crozat ([email protected]) wrote: > Le dimanche 17 mars 2013 à 14:54 +0100, Kay Sievers a écrit : > > Here is a chart: > > http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg > > > > Rotating media and really cheap hardware looks very sad, and we take

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Holger Winkelmann [TP]
And make acceptance tests on such machines ;-) - Original Message - > 'Twas brillig, and Kay Sievers at 18/03/13 10:42 did gyre and gimble: > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:54:01PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: > >>> H

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Kay Sievers at 18/03/13 10:42 did gyre and gimble: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:54:01PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: >>> Here is a chart: >>> http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg >>

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Harald Hoyer
Am 17.03.2013 14:54, schrieb Kay Sievers: > Here is a chart: > http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg > > Rotating media and really cheap hardware looks very sad, and we take > like 5 times longer to boot than Windows 8. > > Why does bootchart stop before all the *really

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.03.2013 11:42, schrieb Kay Sievers: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:54:01PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: >>> Here is a chart: >>> http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg >>> >>> Rotating media and r

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:54:01PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: >> Here is a chart: >> http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg >> >> Rotating media and really cheap hardware looks very sad, and we take >> l

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-18 Thread Frederic Crozat
Le dimanche 17 mars 2013 à 14:54 +0100, Kay Sievers a écrit : > Here is a chart: > http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg > > Rotating media and really cheap hardware looks very sad, and we take > like 5 times longer to boot than Windows 8. > > Why does bootchart stop be

Re: [systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-17 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:54:01PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: > Here is a chart: > http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg > > Rotating media and really cheap hardware looks very sad, and we take > like 5 times longer to boot than Windows 8. Why is systemd taking ~5 s, and

[systemd-devel] bootchart issues on slow hardware

2013-03-17 Thread Kay Sievers
Here is a chart: http://people.freedesktop.org/~kay/bootchart-20130317-1434.svg Rotating media and really cheap hardware looks very sad, and we take like 5 times longer to boot than Windows 8. Why does bootchart stop before all the *really* slow desktop stuff starts? Why does bootchart claim a