Lennart,
I'm going to quickly top post here so forgive me for being rude.
Serge and I worked out some patches that seem to address the devtmpfs
issues nicely. Still got a few oddities to iron out but the big
fundamental one got fixed and is working. Many thanks for that.
The problem with error
On Fri, 26.10.12 18:39, Michael H. Warfield ([email protected]) wrote:
> My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
> obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
> Almost every upgrade problem I've had in Fedora has been related to
> systemd's f
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:59:21AM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 10:05 +0200, Miklos Vajna wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, "Michael H. Warfield"
> > wrote:
> > > [root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
> > > network.service - LSB: Bring
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 17:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 01:01:36PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > Kay, Olav, I think that we're being a bit unfair towards
> > Michael. There's an implication that his posts were offensive, but they
> > weren't. Overly verbose,
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 10:05 +0200, Miklos Vajna wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, "Michael H. Warfield"
> wrote:
> > [root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
> > network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking
> > Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/network)
> >
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 01:01:36PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Kay, Olav, I think that we're being a bit unfair towards
> Michael. There's an implication that his posts were offensive, but they
> weren't. Overly verbose, yes, repetitive, yes, agitated, etc, but not
> intended as rud
> Odd, the oldest systemd version I have around is 38, and even that has a
> working journal that catches stdout/stderr of services.
There is some problem with systemctl status and stderr/stdout:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55320
This leads to such behavior:
> cat ~/.config/syst
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> Excuse me? I'm a kernel maintainer and a member of the Samba team. I
> have dedicated almost 2 decades to promoting and developing several
> dozen open source projects I will not enumerate here.
I don't know or particularly care who
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 08:20:51AM -0400, "Michael H. Warfield"
wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 10:03 +0200, Miklos Vajna wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, "Michael H. Warfield"
> > wrote:
> > > [root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
> > > network.service - LSB: B
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 13:01 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:04:42AM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Michael H. Warfield
> > wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > >> sent too quickly..
> > >>
>
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:04:42AM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Michael H. Warfield
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> >> sent too quickly..
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Oc
> Ok fine... So I get logged in and I run this...
> [root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
> network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking
> Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/network)
> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:23:07
> +0400; 1min
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
>> sent too quickly..
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
>> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
>> > > BTW... No
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:39:33PM -0400, "Michael H. Warfield"
wrote:
> [root@alcove mhw]# systemctl status network.service
> network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking
> Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/network)
> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 05:24 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> sent too quickly..
>
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> > > BTW... Not to drop names (which I'm about to do) or anything and I know
> >
sent too quickly..
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:22:30AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> > BTW... Not to drop names (which I'm about to do) or anything and I know
> > in a big organization not everybody knows everyone but...
>
> I
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:16:47PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> BTW... Not to drop names (which I'm about to do) or anything and I know
> in a big organization not everybody knows everyone but...
I prefer judging myself. And at the moment I see you using words like:
- crap
- POS
--
R
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 22:05 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 21:50 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> > On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 18:32 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 21:50 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 18:32 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield
> > wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > >
> > >> This should help. Obviously, j
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 18:32 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> >
> >> This should help. Obviously, journalctl should help you a lot as well.
> >
> > And journalctl gave me ja
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
>
>> This should help. Obviously, journalctl should help you a lot as well.
>
> And journalctl gave me jack shit trying to figure this out and I really
> DON'T need yet another o
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> It's still failing and it's giving me conflicting errors about
> "directory already exists" and then "file does not exist" (on the
> directory). This POS is driving me nuts with lack of intelligent
> debugging information!
Throwing ta
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> This should help. Obviously, journalctl should help you a lot as well.
And journalctl gave me jack shit trying to figure this out and I really
DON'T need yet another obscure command to dig out errors that should
have been presented in th
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 20:06 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Michael H. Warfield
> > wrote:
> > > My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
> > > obfuscating errors in
On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 16:51 -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Michael H. Warfield
> wrote:
> > My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
> > obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
> > Almost every upgrade pr
Am 27.10.2012 01:51, schrieb Kok:
>> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:23:07
>> +0400; 1min 57s ago
>
> hmm, EXIT CODE failure. It exited with a non-zero status.
>
>> Process: 91 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/network start (code=exited,
>> status=209
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
> obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
> Almost every upgrade problem I've had in Fedora has been related to
> systemd's failure to p
My most fundamental problem with systemd is its insistence in hiding and
obfuscating errors in ways that makes debugging almost impossible.
Almost every upgrade problem I've had in Fedora has been related to
systemd's failure to provide comprehendable error messages to things
like errors in fstab (
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