Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-16 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > It takes about 5-6s for udev to run input_id on the keyboard + touchpad, > and > > thus for them to be available to X. > > How come this takes so long? > > Does this actually delay X? Nromally X should be fine without kbd/mouse > and t

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 16.05.11 14:43, Scott James Remnant ([email protected]) wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > > Our entire userspace bootup takes <1s here on an older X300. I think > > nobody expects that the mouse reacts any quicker than that. > > > Your "older X300"

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-16 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Our entire userspace bootup takes <1s here on an older X300. I think > nobody expects that the mouse reacts any quicker than that. > > Your "older X300" is probably rather more powerful than a single-core Atom CPU. > But as mentioned e

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 12.05.11 09:09, Scott James Remnant ([email protected]) wrote: > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > > On Mon, 09.05.11 13:13, Scott James Remnant ([email protected]) wrote: > > > > > The System Daemon seems to be where systemd is much more clever; a > > Blue

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri < [email protected]> wrote: > > Well, maybe you didn't get the activation part or you're trolling :-) > > Neither... > As I said in my mail about the bluetooth part, the problem with kernel > modules is that "you don't know what's in

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-12 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Scott James Remnant wrote: > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > >> On Mon, 09.05.11 13:13, Scott James Remnant ([email protected]) wrote: >> >> > The System Daemon seems to be where systemd is much more clever; a >> Bluetooth >> > devic

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 09.05.11 13:13, Scott James Remnant ([email protected]) wrote: > > > The System Daemon seems to be where systemd is much more clever; a > Bluetooth > > device unit would "want" the System Daemon, but that could be joined with > >

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-09 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 00:27, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > wrote: > > > you can blacklist it if there is no userspace tools to handle it. That > would > > require some packaging changes to cope, but it is doable. > > If it's desirable to load i

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-09 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 00:27, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > you can blacklist it if there is no userspace tools to handle it. That would > require some packaging changes to cope, but it is doable. > If it's desirable to load it if there is some user space using it, one you'd > need to add so

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 09.05.11 19:27, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri ([email protected]) wrote: > > So I was curious how these problems would be solved in the systemd world? > > Reading through the documentation I came up with the following: > > > > The Kernel Driver is still going to get loaded regardless, be

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 09.05.11 13:13, Scott James Remnant ([email protected]) wrote: > The System Daemon seems to be where systemd is much more clever; a Bluetooth > device unit would "want" the System Daemon, but that could be joined with > socket/D-Bus Activation right? So the presence of the device creates

Re: [systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-09 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Scott James Remnant wrote: > Thanks for your answers so far, I haven't had a chance to fully read and > digest them yet, but will do so before replying on those threads (if I even > need to, it's likely your responses are complete in of themselves). > > My third que

[systemd-devel] Communicating need

2011-05-09 Thread Scott James Remnant
Thanks for your answers so far, I haven't had a chance to fully read and digest them yet, but will do so before replying on those threads (if I even need to, it's likely your responses are complete in of themselves). My third question is about communicating need; for this I'd like to outline a use