Re: [systemd-devel] [Debate] Transition from professional to popular?

2017-05-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.05.2017 um 21:50 schrieb e...@a6.25u.com: On 05/11/17 21:40, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 11.05.17 21:24, e...@a6.25u.com (e...@a6.25u.com) wrote: Operating systems (that might use the Linux kernel) are being streamlined from being professional into being popular. systemd is a s

Re: [systemd-devel] [Debate] Transition from professional to popular?

2017-05-11 Thread ebay
On 05/11/17 21:40, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 11.05.17 21:24, e...@a6.25u.com (e...@a6.25u.com) wrote: Operating systems (that might use the Linux kernel) are being streamlined from being professional into being popular. systemd is a small factor in that development. But what is rea

[systemd-devel] [Debate] Transition from professional to popular?

2017-05-11 Thread ebay
Operating systems (that might use the Linux kernel) are being streamlined from being professional into being popular. systemd is a small factor in that development. But what is really achieved by this? Scaring away a professional audience with black boxes, in-transparency or feature creeping

Re: [systemd-devel] [Debate] Transition from professional to popular?

2017-05-11 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 11.05.17 21:24, e...@a6.25u.com (e...@a6.25u.com) wrote: > Operating systems (that might use the Linux kernel) are being streamlined > from being professional into being popular. > > systemd is a small factor in that development. > > But what is really achieved by this? > > Scaring awa

Re: [systemd-devel] start user-service only with UID greater than 1000

2017-05-11 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 10.05.17 08:39, Jakob Schürz (wertsto...@nurfuerspam.de) wrote: > Am 2017-05-09 um 18:19 schrieb Mantas Mikulėnas: > > That might be nice... but, how come your services register a logind > > session in the first place? That doesn't happen unless something > > deliberately calls pam_systemd

Re: [systemd-devel] Retaining boot messages on (near-)stateless systems

2017-05-11 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 11.05.17 09:17, John Florian (j...@doubledog.org) wrote: > I maintain a derivative of Fedora Live (built using lorax) that gets > deployed on hundreds of systems, far more than my team has the man- > power to keep a watchful eye. Occasionally we are notified of a > problematic node and of

Re: [systemd-devel] 11 MB cost of DefaultMemoryAccounting=yes

2017-05-11 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 11.05.17 10:26, Umut Tezduyar Lindskog (u...@tezduyar.com) wrote: > Even though this is not a systemd problem, I believe systemd mailing > list is a good place to discuss. > > Our kernel has CONFIG_MEMCG enabled. As soon as we set > DefaultMemoryAccounting=yes, our system wide memory usag

Re: [systemd-devel] 11 MB cost of DefaultMemoryAccounting=yes

2017-05-11 Thread Kai Krakow
Am Thu, 11 May 2017 10:26:33 +0200 schrieb Umut Tezduyar Lindskog : > Hello, > > Even though this is not a systemd problem, I believe systemd mailing > list is a good place to discuss. > > Our kernel has CONFIG_MEMCG enabled. As soon as we set > DefaultMemoryAccounting=yes, our system wide memor

[systemd-devel] Retaining boot messages on (near-)stateless systems

2017-05-11 Thread John Florian
I maintain a derivative of Fedora Live (built using lorax) that gets deployed on hundreds of systems, far more than my team has the man- power to keep a watchful eye. Occasionally we are notified of a problematic node and often it would be helpful to see the full journal for say, the first 15 minu

[systemd-devel] 11 MB cost of DefaultMemoryAccounting=yes

2017-05-11 Thread Umut Tezduyar Lindskog
Hello, Even though this is not a systemd problem, I believe systemd mailing list is a good place to discuss. Our kernel has CONFIG_MEMCG enabled. As soon as we set DefaultMemoryAccounting=yes, our system wide memory usage increased 11 MB. The increase is mostly on kmalloc-* slab memory with the p