Am 26.12.2015 um 20:39 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
On 12/26/2015 07:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
impressive what a arrgoant asshole you are while talking about
"Arrogant" is the guy who refuses to accept new ways of doing things,
because he thinks that the way he does things is perfect an
On 12/26/2015 07:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> my infrastructure is most likely better managed than anyone leses
So says the person with a limited perspective and a refusal to learn
modern tools and processes.
>
> you are not in the position to give orders
Did you just forget that it was YOU g
On 12/20/2015 01:52 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
> *nudge*
>
> Is there really no option about this rather common issue?
I too am interested in more info about this.
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Am 26.12.2015 um 20:19 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
On 12/26/2015 07:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
people needing handholding - bah
See, your problem is more a limited mindset / perspective problem.
From your attitude, you believe it's demeaning to use the proper tool
for the job, taking
On 12/26/2015 07:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> you said "reload would be possible again"
Let me spell that sentence out in context:
If you stopped using EnvironmentFile and starting actually assembling
proper configurations using a configuration management tool, then the
command "systemctl reload
On 12/26/2015 07:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> people needing handholding - bah
See, your problem is more a limited mindset / perspective problem.
From your attitude, you believe it's demeaning to use the proper tool
for the job, taking it as a point of pride that you have deficient and
obsolete
Am 26.12.2015 um 20:07 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
On 12/26/2015 06:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
uhm - "EnvironmentFile" don't change often and so reload is possible
all the time
I never said you couldn't reload. I said that reload would not enact
your environment file changes.
Are you
On 12/20/2015 01:30 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
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> How would I do the equivalent of systemctl edit with a declarative
> configuration management tool like puppet?
systemctl edit on a host
copy the file to your puppet server (ugh, don't use puppet, use ansible)
deploy file across hosts
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Am 26.12.2015 um 20:04 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
On 12/16/2015 09:47 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
because i know how to configure servers and don't need handholding
tools since i develop my own admin backends for many years and
services helping on repeatly needed taks but don't chain me to a
On 12/26/2015 06:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> Am 26.12.2015 um 19:52 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
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> i am capable to write my configs by hand withoput babysitting by
> Puppet or something else
What a macho man!
Guess what: those of us who use configuration systems also write configs
by
On 12/26/2015 06:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> uhm - "EnvironmentFile" don't change often and so reload is possible
> all the time
I never said you couldn't reload. I said that reload would not enact
your environment file changes.
Are you having trouble understanding what I wrote, or is it the
Am 26.12.2015 um 20:02 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
On 12/16/2015 09:47 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
"normal people" - what's wrong with you?
Us "normal people" use configuration management systems to properly do
what you do with ugly hacks.
It's 2015. cfengine is not the only game in town.
On 12/16/2015 09:47 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> because i know how to configure servers and don't need handholding
> tools since i develop my own admin backends for many years and
> services helping on repeatly needed taks but don't chain me to a
> limited subset of the supported options
Ah.
So t
On 12/16/2015 09:47 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> "normal people" - what's wrong with you?
Us "normal people" use configuration management systems to properly do
what you do with ugly hacks.
It's 2015. cfengine is not the only game in town. Check my last
email. It took me two minutes to write an
On 12/11/2015 02:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> and that's exactly what i don't want to do for damned good reasons
>
> * in the past i started httpd with type=forking
> * it was just "/usr/sbin/httpd $OPTIONS"
> * switch to "Type=simple" was change the untit in our own
> maintained rpm-package and
Am 26.12.2015 um 19:52 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
On 12/10/2015 03:20 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Apache:
Include "conf/local/testserver.conf"
and now you can use the same systemd-unit on a dozens of machines and
include specific config snippets WITOUT touch the systemd-unit or
*anything
Am 26.12.2015 um 19:49 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
Meanwhile, we're still in 1980 dicking around with EnvironmentFiles and
FlagFiles and such bullshit
boy just don't use it if you don't like it
nobody is forcing you to use anything - on the other hand some systemd
people trying to force
On 12/10/2015 03:20 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> Apache:
>
> Include "conf/local/testserver.conf"
>
>
> and now you can use the same systemd-unit on a dozens of machines and
> include specific config snippets WITOUT touch the systemd-unit or
> *anything* else in the apache configuration
This sou
On 12/26/2015 06:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> Am 26.12.2015 um 19:41 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
>> On 12/23/2015 10:40 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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>> Nobody is forcing you to change anything from your configuration
>
> Johann would if he had the power to do so
Aren't you glad he doesn't?
On 12/10/2015 11:42 AM, Simon McVittie wrote:
> The approach I try to follow in dbus is that options that should be
> changed by another package (such as default security policies) go in a
> configuration file, or more recently a file in /usr/share; options that
> should be changed by the sysadmin
Am 26.12.2015 um 19:34 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
On 12/21/2015 09:41 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
This is exactly why systemd is the top one most hated piece of open
source software. We are not here to be educated about the one and only
right way of doing things.
Actually, you hate systemd be
Am 26.12.2015 um 19:41 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
On 12/23/2015 10:40 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
why should i change anything in *my* configuartion *because* you don't
like it?
Nobody is forcing you to change anything from your configuration
Johann would if he had the power to do so
th
On 12/23/2015 07:30 PM, Alex Crawford wrote:
> We use it within CoreOS to allow the user to inject dynamic data into the
> service. For example, you may have a service like this:
>
> $ cat etcd.service
> [Unit]
> Requires=metadata.service
> After=metadata.service
>
> [Service]
> EnvironmentFi
On 12/21/2015 10:29 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
> The problem is that a minoriy of concepts and the attitude of the
> makers make working with systemd a constant source of increased blood
> pressure and a strong urge to break something expensive just to get
> rid of the aggression.
For that, there's ther
On 12/21/2015 09:41 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
> This is exactly why systemd is the top one most hated piece of open
> source software. We are not here to be educated about the one and only
> right way of doing things.
Actually, you hate systemd because you don't like that systemd forces
you to learn n
Am 26.12.2015 um 19:40 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):
On 12/23/2015 08:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and what's the difference between a config file or "EnvironmentFile"
besides you like the one for whatever reason more while both are
config files?
It has already been explained that certain op
On 12/23/2015 10:40 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> why should i change anything in *my* configuartion *because* you don't
> like it?
Nobody is forcing you to change anything from your configuration. Even
though environment files are shit for configuration (the reasoning of
which has already been expl
On 12/23/2015 08:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> and what's the difference between a config file or "EnvironmentFile"
> besides you like the one for whatever reason more while both are
> config files?
It has already been explained that certain operations will not cause the
EnvironmentFile contents t
On 12/23/2015 07:48 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> I see no reason why systemd should be involved with this. Just make
> etcd a proper daemon, and read its config data directly, rather then
> serializing it into the command line.
>
> Lennart
Reading from environment / flagfiles / command line is s
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