Re: [systemd-devel] Is unmounting of filesystem synchronized with stopping services using these filesystems?

2012-11-24 Thread Andrey Borzenkov
В Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:12:56 +0100 Lennart Poettering пишет: > On Sat, 24.11.12 10:28, Andrey Borzenkov ([email protected]) wrote: > > > According to bootup(7) stopping services and unmounting of filesystems > > happens in parallel. Is there any sort of implicit dependencies between > > running

Re: [systemd-devel] udev 182 and kernel 3.6.7

2012-11-24 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Nelson wrote: > Also wondering, if this isn't a kernel issue then why does > 70-persistent-cd.rules get generated if it's missing under kernel 3.2.29, > but under 3.6.7 it does not? It's probably the switch to the libata transport class. Udev does not support ATA

Re: [systemd-devel] logind: multiseat without framebuffer graphic cards

2012-11-24 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > This sounds as if it should be tagged with uaccess, so that it is > managed by dynamic ACLs as sessoins become active and inactive. > > Kay, what's the story behind /dev/snd/seq and ACLs? Should work fine when the driver is loaded. Th

Re: [systemd-devel] Journalctl and sshd disconnects

2012-11-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 21.11.12 00:12, Jake Rooney ([email protected]) wrote: > > Hi Lennart, > > Thanks for the reply. > > I can't understand the user-generated sshd log being put into it's own > journal out of distrust, isn't that just paranoia? Well there two sides to the medal here. We don't want that us

Re: [systemd-devel] Question about journal: how to collect log messages from various /dev/log sockets, of chrooted services

2012-11-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 23.11.12 16:22, Mike ([email protected]) wrote: > Hi, > > My distribution has many isolated services with his /dev/log are > disposed within the environment of isolation, for example: > /var/lib/ldap/dev/log > /var/lib/openvpn/dev/log > /var/spool/postfix/dev/log > > How to configu

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd convert

2012-11-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 24.11.12 10:18, Dave (Bob) ([email protected]) wrote: > The only thing that I would be interested to know, is why what I would > see as executables and cofiguration files are put in the 'lib' The binaries in /usr/lib/systemd are binaries that are more or less internal to systemd, an

Re: [systemd-devel] udev 182 and kernel 3.6.7

2012-11-24 Thread Nelson
Also wondering, if this isn't a kernel issue then why does 70-persistent-cd.rules get generated if it's missing under kernel 3.2.29, but under 3.6.7 it does not? On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Nelson wrote: > Using udevadm as you suggested yielded some interesting results. Under > kernel 3.6

Re: [systemd-devel] logind: multiseat without framebuffer graphic cards

2012-11-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 24.11.12 22:34, Colin Guthrie ([email protected]) wrote: > > "seat-master" sounds like a good name for this. I'd be happy to merge a > > patch that changes logind so that it watches for devices tagged with > > this, and spawns an X server the moment such a device appears. > > Speaking

Re: [systemd-devel] logind: multiseat without framebuffer graphic cards

2012-11-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 24/11/12 21:46 did gyre and gimble: >> > 5. An issue is not related to framebuffer but to user access privileges: >> > users cann't access /dev/snd/seq device in a multi-seat environment. >> > This device is used by all MIDI applications, so they do not work

Re: [systemd-devel] logind: multiseat without framebuffer graphic cards

2012-11-24 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 23/11/12 17:18 did gyre and gimble: > On Thu, 22.11.12 13:27, Thomas Bächler ([email protected]) wrote: > >> For me, the major problem is that the selection of "seat master devices" >> is hard-coded in logind (it selects devices of type "graphics" from >

Re: [systemd-devel] logind: multiseat without framebuffer graphic cards

2012-11-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 24.11.12 23:12, Олег Самарин ([email protected]) wrote: > В Пт., 23/11/2012 в 18:22 +0100, Lennart Poettering пишет: > > > OK. So we need two changes: > > > > > > (1). Introduce a new udev tag that means "master device" for the seat. > > > Support it with logind.c. Add an udev rule tha

Re: [systemd-devel] logind: multiseat without framebuffer graphic cards

2012-11-24 Thread Олег Самарин
В Пт., 23/11/2012 в 18:22 +0100, Lennart Poettering пишет: > > OK. So we need two changes: > > > > (1). Introduce a new udev tag that means "master device" for the seat. > > Support it with logind.c. Add an udev rule that sets this tag for all > > framebuffer device > > Yes, and please name this

Re: [systemd-devel] udev 182 and kernel 3.6.7

2012-11-24 Thread Nelson
Using udevadm as you suggested yielded some interesting results. Under kernel 3.6.7 70-persistent-cd.rules does in fact get loaded, however ID_PATH is no longer exported, which is what 70-persistent-cd.rules uses to identify the DVD-ROM on my system. While I am able to get udev working properly w

Re: [systemd-devel] WISHLIST: systemd git-like CLI/ui/command interface

2012-11-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 22.11.12 13:45, Colin Guthrie ([email protected]) wrote: > >> When I see > >> systemctl status ... > >> systemd-journalctl > > This is now just called "journalctl" since systemd v45 > > There is also "loginctl" (which used to be called "systemd-loginctl". > > >> systemd-analyze ... >

Re: [systemd-devel] Is unmounting of filesystem synchronized with stopping services using these filesystems?

2012-11-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 24.11.12 10:28, Andrey Borzenkov ([email protected]) wrote: > According to bootup(7) stopping services and unmounting of filesystems > happens in parallel. Is there any sort of implicit dependencies between > running services and filesystems? I do not see anything besides > dependencies

Re: [systemd-devel] udev 182 and kernel 3.6.7

2012-11-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.11.2012 14:29, schrieb Kay Sievers: > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Nelson wrote: >> While my issue is still with udev 182 and kernel 3.6.7, does >> 70-persistent-cd.rules even get USED at all if it was created beforehand >> with 183? > > Yes, it should still work. Just new devices wou

Re: [systemd-devel] udev 182 and kernel 3.6.7

2012-11-24 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Nelson wrote: > While my issue is still with udev 182 and kernel 3.6.7, does > 70-persistent-cd.rules even get USED at all if it was created beforehand > with 183? Yes, it should still work. Just new devices would not be automatically added. Newer udev versions d

[systemd-devel] systemd convert

2012-11-24 Thread Dave (Bob)
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 9:43 AM, David Humphreys wrote: > I am just starting to experiment with systemd. > > My first 'problem' is that the build process does not seem to properly > obey the --prefix= directive. > > I get some stuff installed where I tell it with --prefix, and some other > stuff