Re: SolrCloud High Availability during indexing operation

2013-10-08 Thread Saurabh Saxena
Pastbin link http://pastebin.com/cnkXhz7A I am doing a bulk request. I am uploading 100 files, each file having 100 docs. -Saurabh On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Mark Miller wrote: > The attachment did not go through - try using pastebin.com or something. > > Are you adding docs with curl on

Re: dynamic field question

2013-10-08 Thread Jack Krupansky
I'd suggest that each of your source document sections would be a distinct solr document. All of the sections could have a "source document ID" field to tie them together. Dynamic fields work best when used in moderation. Your use case seems like an excessive use of dynamic fields. -- Jack K

Re: ALIAS feature, can be used for what?

2013-10-08 Thread Mark Miller
Right - update aliases should only map an alias to one collection, but are perfectly valid. Read aliases can map to multiple collections or just one. There is currently only a create alias command and not an update alias command. I suppose because the impl for create just happened to work for u

Re: SolrCloud High Availability during indexing operation

2013-10-08 Thread Mark Miller
The attachment did not go through - try using pastebin.com or something. Are you adding docs with curl one at a time or in bulk per request. - Mark On Oct 8, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Saurabh Saxena wrote: > Repeated the experiments on local system. Single shard Solrcloud with a > replica. Tried to i

stats on dynamic fields?

2013-10-08 Thread Li Xu
Hi, I don't seem to be able to find any info on the possibility to get stats on dynamic fields. stats=true&states.field=xyz_* appears to literally treat "xyz_*" as the field name with a star. Is there a way to get stats on dynamic fields without explicitly listing them in the query? Thanks! Li

Re: SolrCloud High Availability during indexing operation

2013-10-08 Thread Saurabh Saxena
Repeated the experiments on local system. Single shard Solrcloud with a replica. Tried to index 10K docs. All the indexing operation were redirected to replica Solr node. While the document while getting indexed on replica, I shutdown the leader Solr node. Out of 10K docs, only 9900 docs got indexe

Re: SolrJ best pratices

2013-10-08 Thread Shawn Heisey
On 10/7/2013 3:08 PM, Mark wrote: Some specific questions: - When working with HttpSolrServer should we keep around instances for ever or should we create a singleton that can/should be used over and over? - Is there a way to change the collection after creating the server or do we need to crea

Re: How to warm up filter queries for a category field with 1000 possible values ?

2013-10-08 Thread Shawn Heisey
On 10/7/2013 12:36 AM, user 01 wrote: what's the way to warm up filter queries for a category field with 1000 possible values. Would I need to write 1000 lines manually in the solrconig.xml or what is the format? Erick has given you awesome advice. Here's something a little bit different that

Re: What's the purpose of the bits option in compositeId (Solr 4.5)?

2013-10-08 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Shawn Heisey wrote: > There is also the "distrib=false" parameter that will cause the request to > be handled directly by the core it is sent to rather than being > distributed/balanced by SolrCloud. Right - this is probably the best option for diagnosing what is i

Re: How to share Schema between multicore on Solr 4.4

2013-10-08 Thread Shawn Heisey
On 10/7/2013 6:02 AM, Dharmendra Jaiswal wrote: I am using Solr 4.4 version with SolrCloud on Windows machine. Somehow i am not able to share schema between multiple core. If you're in SolrCloud mode, then you already *are* sharing your schema. You are also sharing your configuration. Both o

Re: no such field error:smaller big block size details while indexing doc files

2013-10-08 Thread Erick Erickson
Hmmm, that is odd, the glob dynamicField should pick this up. Not quite sure what's going on. You an parse the file via Tika yourself and look at what's in there, it's a relatively simple SolrJ program, here's a sample: http://searchhub.org/2012/02/14/indexing-with-solrj/ Best, Erick On Tue, Oct

Re: run filter queries after post filter

2013-10-08 Thread Erick Erickson
Hmmm, seems like it should. What's our evidence that it isn't working? Best, Erick On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Rohit Harchandani wrote: > Hey, > I am using solr 4.0 with my own PostFilter implementation which is executed > after the normal solr query is done. This filter has a cost of 100. I

Re: What's the purpose of the bits option in compositeId (Solr 4.5)?

2013-10-08 Thread Shawn Heisey
On 10/8/2013 6:12 PM, Brett Hoerner wrote: Ignore me I forgot about shards= from the wiki. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Brett Hoerner wrote: I have a silly question, how do I query a single shard in SolrCloud? When I hit solr/foo_shard1_replica1/select it always seems to do a full cluster

Re: Bootstrapping / Full Importing using Solr Cloud

2013-10-08 Thread Erick Erickson
DIH works with SolrCloud as far as I understand. But moving to SolrJ has several advantages: 1> you have more control over our process, beter ability to debug etc. 2> If you can partition your data up amongst several clients, you can probably get through your jobs much faster. 3> You're not overloa

Re: Improving indexing performance

2013-10-08 Thread Erick Erickson
queue size shouldn't really be too large, the whole point of the concurrency is to keep from waiting around for the communication with the server in a single thread. So having a bunch of stuff backed up in the queue isn't buying you anything And you can always increase the memory allocated to

Re: What's the purpose of the bits option in compositeId (Solr 4.5)?

2013-10-08 Thread Brett Hoerner
Ignore me I forgot about shards= from the wiki. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Brett Hoerner wrote: > I have a silly question, how do I query a single shard in SolrCloud? When > I hit solr/foo_shard1_replica1/select it always seems to do a full cluster > query. > > I can't (easily) do a _route_

Re: What's the purpose of the bits option in compositeId (Solr 4.5)?

2013-10-08 Thread Brett Hoerner
I have a silly question, how do I query a single shard in SolrCloud? When I hit solr/foo_shard1_replica1/select it always seems to do a full cluster query. I can't (easily) do a _route_ query before I know what each have. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote: > On Tue, Oct 8, 201

Re: What's the purpose of the bits option in compositeId (Solr 4.5)?

2013-10-08 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Brett Hoerner wrote: > This is my clusterstate.json: > https://gist.github.com/bretthoerner/0098f741f48f9bb51433 > > And these are my core sizes (note large ones are sorted to the end): > https://gist.github.com/bretthoerner/f5b5e099212194b5dff6 > > I've only "heavi

Re: limiting deep pagination

2013-10-08 Thread Erik Hatcher
I'd recommend a custom "first-components" SearchComponent. Then it could simply validate (or adjust) the parameters or throw an exception. Knowing Tomás - that's probably what he'd really do :) Erik On Oct 8, 2013, at 19:34, Tomás Fernández Löbbe wrote: > I don't know of any OOTB w

Re: limiting deep pagination

2013-10-08 Thread Tomás Fernández Löbbe
I don't know of any OOTB way to do that, I'd write a custom request handler as you suggested. Tomás On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Peter Keegan wrote: > Is there a way to configure Solr 'defaults/appends/invariants' such that > the product of the 'start' and 'rows' parameters doesn't exceed a

Re: What's the purpose of the bits option in compositeId (Solr 4.5)?

2013-10-08 Thread Brett Hoerner
This is my clusterstate.json: https://gist.github.com/bretthoerner/0098f741f48f9bb51433 And these are my core sizes (note large ones are sorted to the end): https://gist.github.com/bretthoerner/f5b5e099212194b5dff6 I've only "heavily sent" 2 shards by now (I'm sharding by hour and it's been runni

dynamic field question

2013-10-08 Thread Twomey, David
I am having trouble trying to return a particular dynamic field only instead of all dynamic fields. Imagine I have a document with an unknown number of sections. Each section can have a 'title' and a 'body' I have each section title and body as dynamic fields such as section_title_* and se

limiting deep pagination

2013-10-08 Thread Peter Keegan
Is there a way to configure Solr 'defaults/appends/invariants' such that the product of the 'start' and 'rows' parameters doesn't exceed a given value? This would be to prevent deep pagination. Or would this require a custom requestHandler? Peter

Re: What's the purpose of the bits option in compositeId (Solr 4.5)?

2013-10-08 Thread Brett Hoerner
Router is definitely compositeId. To be clear, data isn't being spread evenly... it's like it's *almost* working. It's just odd to me that I'm slamming in data that's 99% of one _route_ key yet after a few minutes (from a fresh empty index) I have 2 shards with a sizeable amount of data (68M and 1

Re: What's the purpose of the bits option in compositeId (Solr 4.5)?

2013-10-08 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Brett Hoerner wrote: > I'm curious what the later "shard-local" bits do, if anything? > > I have a very large cluster (256 shards) and I'm sending most of my data > with a single "composite", e.g. 1234!, but I'm noticing the data > is being split among many of the s

What's the purpose of the bits option in compositeId (Solr 4.5)?

2013-10-08 Thread Brett Hoerner
I'm curious what the later "shard-local" bits do, if anything? I have a very large cluster (256 shards) and I'm sending most of my data with a single "composite", e.g. 1234!, but I'm noticing the data is being split among many of the shards. My guess right now is that since I'm only using the def

Re: {soft}Commit and cache flusing

2013-10-08 Thread Tim Vaillancourt
I have a genuine question with substance here. If anything this nonconstructive, rude response was "to get noticed". Thanks for contributing to the discussion. Tim On 8 October 2013 05:31, Dmitry Kan wrote: > Tim, > I suggest you open a new thread and not reply to this one to get noticed. > Dm

Re: Accent insensitive multi-words suggester

2013-10-08 Thread Dominique Bejean
Thank you Erick. I will try this. Regards Dominique Le 06/10/13 03:03, Erick Erickson a écrit : Consider implementing a special field that of the form accentfolded|original For instance, you'd index something like ecole|école ecole|école privée as _terms_, not broken up at all. Now, when you

dynamically adding core with auto-discovery in Solr 4.5

2013-10-08 Thread Jan Van Besien
Hi, We are using auto discovery and have a use case where we want to be able to add cores dynamically, without restarting solr. In 4.4 we were able to - add a directory (e.g. "core1") with an empty core.properties - call http://localhost:8983/solr/admin/cores?action=CREATE&core=core1&name=core1&

Re: solr cpu usage

2013-10-08 Thread Tim Vaillancourt
Yes, you've saved us all lots of time with this article. I'm about to do the same for the old "Jetty or Tomcat?" container question ;). Tim On 7 October 2013 18:55, Erick Erickson wrote: > Tim: > > Thanks! Mostly I wrote it to have something official looking to hide > behind when I didn't have

Re: no such field error:smaller big block size details while indexing doc files

2013-10-08 Thread sweety
This my new schema.xml:         id I still get the same error. From: Erick Erickson [via Lucene] To: sweety Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 7:16 AM Subject: Re: no such field error:smaller big block size details while indexing doc files

run filter queries after post filter

2013-10-08 Thread Rohit Harchandani
Hey, I am using solr 4.0 with my own PostFilter implementation which is executed after the normal solr query is done. This filter has a cost of 100. Is it possible to run filter queries on the index after the execution of the post filter? I tried adding the below line to the url but it did not seem

Re: What is the full list of Solr Special Characters?

2013-10-08 Thread Shawn Heisey
On 10/8/2013 3:01 AM, Furkan KAMACI wrote: > Actually I want to remove special characters and wont send them into my > Solr indexes. I mean user can send a special query as like a SQL injection > and I want to prevent my system such kind of scenarios. There is a newer javadoc than the *very* ol

Re: problem with data import handler delta import due to use of multiple datasource

2013-10-08 Thread Bill Au
Thanks for the suggestion but that won't work as I have last_modified field in both the parent entity and child entity as I want delta import to kick in when either change. That other approach has the same problem since the parent and child entity uses different datasources. Bill On Tue, Oct 8,

Solr 4.4 - Master/Slave configuration - Replication Issue with Commits after deleting documents using Delete by ID

2013-10-08 Thread Akkinepalli, Bharat (ELS-CON)
Hi, We have recently migrated from Solr 3.6 to Solr 4.4. We are using the Master/Slave configuration in Solr 4.4 (not Solr Cloud). We have noticed the following behavior/defect. Configuration: === 1. The Hard Commit and Soft Commit are disabled in the configuration (we control

Re: How to achieve distributed spelling check in SolrCloud ?

2013-10-08 Thread Jason Hellman
The shards.qt parameter is the easiest one to forget, with the most dramatic of consequences! On Oct 8, 2013, at 11:10 AM, shamik wrote: > James, > > Thanks for your reply. The "shards.qt" did the trick. I read the > documentation earlier but was not clear on the implementation, now it > tota

Solr 4.4.0 Shard Update Errors (503) but cloud graph shows all green?

2013-10-08 Thread dmarini
Hi!We are running Solr 4.4.0 on a 3 node linux cluster and have about 2 collections storing product data with no problems. Yesterday, I attempted to create another one of these collections using the Collections API, but I had forgotten to upload the config to the zookeeper prior to making the call

RE: How to achieve distributed spelling check in SolrCloud ?

2013-10-08 Thread shamik
James, Thanks for your reply. The "shards.qt" did the trick. I read the documentation earlier but was not clear on the implementation, now it totally makes sense. Appreciate your help. Regards, Shamik -- View this message in context: http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/RE-How-to-achieve-dis

Re: EdgeNGramFilterFactory and Faceting

2013-10-08 Thread Tyler Foster
Thanks, that was the way it was looking. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Markus Jelsma wrote: > Facets do not return the stored constraints, it's usually bad idea to > tokenize or do some have analysis on facet fields. You need to copy your

Re: EdgeNGramFilterFactory and Faceting

2013-10-08 Thread Shalin Shekhar Mangar
Tyler, faceting works on indexed content and not stored content. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Tyler Foster wrote: > Hey Everyone, > When faceting on a field using the EdgeNGramFilterFactory the returned > facets values include all of the n-gram values. Is there a way to limit > this list to

RE: EdgeNGramFilterFactory and Faceting

2013-10-08 Thread Markus Jelsma
Facets do not return the stored constraints, it's usually bad idea to tokenize or do some have analysis on facet fields. You need to copy your field instead. -Original message- > From:Tyler Foster > Sent: Tuesday 8th October 2013 19:28 > To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org > Subject: EdgeNGr

EdgeNGramFilterFactory and Faceting

2013-10-08 Thread Tyler Foster
Hey Everyone, When faceting on a field using the EdgeNGramFilterFactory the returned facets values include all of the n-gram values. Is there a way to limit this list to the stored values without creating a new field? Thanks in advance! Tyler

Case insensitive suggestion - Suggester with external dictionary

2013-10-08 Thread SolrLover
I am using suggester that uses external dictionary file for suggestions (as below). # This is a sample dictionary file. iPhone3g iPhone4 295 iPhone5c620 iPhone4g710 Everything works fine except for the fact that the suggester seems to be case sensitive. /suggest?q=ip is

Bootstrapping / Full Importing using Solr Cloud

2013-10-08 Thread Mark
We are in the process of upgrading our Solr cluster to the latest and greatest Solr Cloud. I have some questions regarding full indexing though. We're currently running a long job (~30 hours) using DIH to do a full index on over 10M products. This process consumes a lot of memory and while updat

Re: ALIAS feature, can be used for what?

2013-10-08 Thread Michael Della Bitta
You can index to an alias that points at only one collection. Works fine! Michael Della Bitta Applications Developer o: +1 646 532 3062 | c: +1 917 477 7906 appinions inc. “The Science of Influence Marketing” 18 East 41st Street New York, NY 10017 t: @appinions

Re: ALIAS feature, can be used for what?

2013-10-08 Thread Michael Della Bitta
CREATEALIAS is also used to move an alias. Michael Della Bitta Applications Developer o: +1 646 532 3062 | c: +1 917 477 7906 appinions inc. “The Science of Influence Marketing” 18 East 41st Street New York, NY 10017 t: @appinions | g+: plus.google.com/appin

Re: Regex to match one of two words

2013-10-08 Thread Walter Underwood
Or a boolean field for published, with false meaning deprecated. wunder On Oct 8, 2013, at 3:42 AM, Jack Krupansky wrote: > Why use regular expressions at all? > > Try: > > published OR deprecated > > -- Jack Krupansky > > -Original Message- From: Dinusha Dilrukshi > Sent: Tuesday, O

Adding FuctionalitiesIN SOLR

2013-10-08 Thread Ankit Kumar
*1. Span NOT Operator* We have a business use case to use SPAN NOT queries in SOLR. Query Parser of LUCENE currently doesn't support/parse SPAN NOT queries. 2.Adding Recursive and Range Proximity *Recursive Proximity *is a proximity query within a proximity query Ex: “ “income tax”

RE: Effect of multiple white space at WhiteSpaceTokenizer

2013-10-08 Thread Markus Jelsma
Result is the same and performance difference should be negligible, unless you're uploading megabytes of white space. Consecutive white space should be collapsed outside of Solr/Lucene anyway because it'll end up in your stored field. Index size will be slightly bigger but not much due to compre

RE: How to achieve distributed spelling check in SolrCloud ?

2013-10-08 Thread Dyer, James
Shamik, Are you using a request handler other than "/select", and if so, did you set "shards.qt" in your request? It should be set to the name of the request handler you are using. See http://wiki.apache.org/solr/SpellCheckComponent?#Distributed_Search_Support James Dyer Ingram Content Group

Effect of multiple white space at WhiteSpaceTokenizer

2013-10-08 Thread Furkan KAMACI
I use Solr 4.5 and I have a WhiteSpaceTokenizer at my schema. What is the difference (index size and performance) for that two sentences: First one: This is a sentence. Second one: This is a sentence.

RE: problem with data import handler delta import due to use of multiple datasource

2013-10-08 Thread Dyer, James
Bill, I do not believe there is any way to tell it to use a different datasource for the parent delta query. If you used this approach, would it solve your problem: http://wiki.apache.org/solr/DataImportHandlerDeltaQueryViaFullImport ? James Dyer Ingram Content Group (615) 213-4311 -O

Re: problem with data import handler delta import due to use of multiple datasource

2013-10-08 Thread Bill Au
I am using 4.3. It is not related to bugs related to last_index_time. The problem is caused by the fact that the parent entity and child entity use different data source (different databases on different hosts). >From the log output, I do see the the delta query of the child entity being execute

Re: SolrCloud shard splitting keeps failing

2013-10-08 Thread Shalin Shekhar Mangar
I was wrong in saying that we don't need to open a searcher, we do. I committed a fix in SOLR-5314 to use soft commits instead of hard commits. I also increased the read time out value. Both of these together will reduce the likelyhood of such a thing happening. https://issues.apache.org/jira/brow

Re: Hardware dimension for new SolrCloud cluster

2013-10-08 Thread primoz . skale
I think Mr. Erickson summarized the issue of hardware sizing quite well in the following article: http://searchhub.org/2012/07/23/sizing-hardware-in-the-abstract-why-we-dont-have-a-definitive-answer/ Best regards, Primož From: Henrik Ossipoff Hansen To: "solr-user@lucene.apache.org"

Hardware dimension for new SolrCloud cluster

2013-10-08 Thread Henrik Ossipoff Hansen
We're in the process of moving onto SolrCloud, and have gotten to the point where we are considering how to do our hardware setup. We're limited to VMs running on our server cluster and storage system, so buying new physical servers is out of the question - the question is how we should dimensi

Applying an "AND" search considering several document snippets as a single document

2013-10-08 Thread Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas
Hi there, this is my first message to this list :) In our application we have a document split in several pages. When the user searches for words in a document we want to bring all documents containing all the words but we'd like to add a link to the specific page for each highlighting. Curr

Re: Fix sort order within an index ?

2013-10-08 Thread user 01
@Upayavira: >q=topic:x1&rows=20&sort=id desc >Or >q=topic:x1&rows=20&sort=timestamp desc > >Will get you what you ask for. yeah I know that I could use SORT & that will work but I asked just for an optimized way. Also that ticket has been fixed, so shouldn't be able to now make use of the fixed s

Re: {soft}Commit and cache flusing

2013-10-08 Thread Dmitry Kan
Tim, I suggest you open a new thread and not reply to this one to get noticed. Dmitry On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Tim Vaillancourt wrote: > Is there a way to make autoCommit only commit if there are pending changes, > ie: if there are 0 adds pending commit, don't autoCommit (open-a-searcher

Re: Regex to match one of two words

2013-10-08 Thread Jack Krupansky
Why use regular expressions at all? Try: published OR deprecated -- Jack Krupansky -Original Message- From: Dinusha Dilrukshi Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:32 AM To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org Subject: Regex to match one of two words I have an input that can have only 2 values

Re: Improving indexing performance

2013-10-08 Thread Matteo Grolla
Thanks Erik, I think I have been able to exhaust a resource if I split the data in 2 and upload it with 2 clients like benchmark 1.1 it takes 120s here the bottleneck it my LAN, if I use a setting like benchmark 1 probably the bottleneck is the ramBuffer. I'm goin

Re: documents are not commited distributively in solr cloud tomcat with core discovery, range is null for shards in clusterstate.json

2013-10-08 Thread Liu Bo
I've solved this problem myself. If you use core discovery, you must specify the "numShards" parameter in core.properties. or else solr won't be allocate range for each shards and then documents won't be distributed properly. Using core discovery to set up solr cloud in tomcat is much easier and

Re: What is the full list of Solr Special Characters?

2013-10-08 Thread Furkan KAMACI
Actually I want to remove special characters and wont send them into my Solr indexes. I mean user can send a special query as like a SQL injection and I want to prevent my system such kind of scenarios. 2013/10/8 Furkan KAMACI > I found that: > > + - && || ! ( ) { } [ ] ^ " ~ * ? : \ > > at tha

What is the full list of Solr Special Characters?

2013-10-08 Thread Furkan KAMACI
I found that: + - && || ! ( ) { } [ ] ^ " ~ * ? : \ at that URL: http://lucene.apache.org/core/2_9_4/queryparsersyntax.html#Escaping+Special+Characters I'm using Solr 4.5 Is there any full list of special characters to escape inside my custom search API before making a request to SolrCloud?

Re: DIH with SolrCloud

2013-10-08 Thread Prasi S
My select statement retusn documents. i have checked the query in the sql server. The problem is the same configuration i have given with default handler /dataimport. It was working. If i give it with /dataimportmssql handler , i get this type of behaviour On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Raymond

SolrCloud+Tomcat 3 win VMs, 3 shards * 2 replica

2013-10-08 Thread magnum87
Hello, I'm trying to deploy, using SolRCloud, a cluster of 3 VMs with Windows, each with an instance of SolR running on a Tomcat container AND with an external ZooKeeper (3.4.5) (so 3 ZK + 3 SolR). I'm using SolR 4.2, the original conf is multi-core (6 different cores) I tried to set up a configur

Re: DIH with SolrCloud

2013-10-08 Thread Raymond Wiker
It looks like your select statement does not return any rows... have you verified it with some sort of SQL client? On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Prasi S wrote: > Hi , > I have setup solrcloud with solr4.4. The cloud has 2 tomcat instances with > separate zookeeper. > > i execute the below co

Re: SolrCloud shard splitting keeps failing

2013-10-08 Thread Shalin Shekhar Mangar
Hi Kalle, The problem here is that certain actions are taking too long causing the split process to terminate in between. For example, a commit on the parent shard leader took 83 seconds in your case but the read timeout value is set to 60 seconds only. We actually do not need to open a searcher d

Regex to match one of two words

2013-10-08 Thread Dinusha Dilrukshi
I have an input that can have only 2 values Published or Deprecated. What regular expression can I use to ensure that either of the two words was submitted? I tried with different regular expressions (as in the [1], [2]) that contains most generic syntax.. But Solar throws parser exception when va

Re: SolrCloud shard splitting keeps failing

2013-10-08 Thread Harald Kirsch
Hello Kalle, we noticed the same problem some weeks ago: http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Share-splitting-at-23-million-documents-gt-OOM-td4085064.html Would be interesting to hear if there is more positive feedback this time. We finally concluded that it may be worth to start with many shar