Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Alan Whiteman
On 03/15/2013 05:42 PM, Nils R Grotnes wrote: > > But I think if we were to ask other readers of this list if anything > > I've said thus far could be construed as filibustering, I would *really* > > be surprised if just one agreed with you. > > I do agree with him. In my opinion, your posts has be

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Wes Freeman
I haven't reviewed all of the posts above. I just wanted to chime in to comment/ask: I prefer the single window scid, and use it in linux and mac. Does scid vs pc work in linux easily? Is there any way to make it run in a single window, like the old scid? I actually have scid vs mac installed, but

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Nils R Grotnes
> But I think if we were to ask other readers of this list if anything > I've said thus far could be construed as filibustering, I would *really* > be surprised if just one agreed with you. I do agree with him. In my opinion, your posts has been among the least constructive, most dismissive of the

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Alan Whiteman
Please see my response between the lines below: On 03/15/2013 02:50 PM, Ben St-Pierre wrote: > Alan, > > So far, there are 70 comments. > > You made 9 comments. > > The first sells Scidvspc: > >> Scidvspc is a fork of scid with many improvements. It is also actively >> maintained. This is a ver

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Alan Whiteman
On 03/15/2013 12:19 PM, Ben St-Pierre wrote: > Alan, > > I've just sent you a private email to settle personal matters. Here's > what I'm willing to address publicly: > >> one cannot have a community of developers work in a single project in two >> channels. > This is not ideal, of course. But w

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Steve A
> i just looked at scidvspc code yesterday after a very long time and i must > say that i'm a cautiously optimistic: a proper merge doesn't seems so > impossible to me). Here's an idea - why dont you actually have a good hard look at my project and the improvements i have written, then continue th

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Ben St-Pierre
Alan, I've just sent you a private email to settle personal matters. Here's what I'm willing to address publicly: > one cannot have a community of developers work in a single project in two > channels. This is not ideal, of course. But we're not in an ideal situation. And what I'm *proposing*

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Mario Lacunza
I agree with Alan... anyways if something is missing can be ported to the merged version. But I think we need to keep one version, one effort. Saludos / Best regards Mario Lacunza Email:: mlacu...@gmail.com Personal Website:: http://www.lacunza.biz/ OpenOffice.org Perú:: http://openoffice-peru.

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Alan Whiteman
On 03/15/2013 11:09 AM, Ben St-Pierre wrote: > Alan, > > Please stop filibustering. > > Ben, I am *NOT* filibustering! I'm disagreeing with your point of view. Are you the only one entitled to an opinion in this discussion? If so, take your arguments to a private IRC channel and out of the publ

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Ben St-Pierre
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Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Alan Whiteman
On 03/15/2013 10:26 AM, Ben St-Pierre wrote: > I just replied to a message by Alan on another list; > > So now we areback to square one. > >> Steveand Fulvio are scid admins but no merge will be performed.Because this >> squabblehas failed to resolve what should have been an important milestone >

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Ben St-Pierre
I just replied to a message by Alan on another list; So now we areback to square one. > Steveand Fulvio are scid admins but no merge will be performed.Because this > squabblehas failed to resolve what should have been an important milestone > for the project, I think, for the most part, scid wi

Re: [Scid-users] scid vs scid

2013-03-15 Thread Ben St-Pierre
Thank you, Alan, for confirming that there is a need for an agreement among Scid's developers. I think we're closer to an agreement than the underling message conveyed by that comment. (This comment should not have been renamed, btw, since it belongs to the previous thread.) Since Alan wants some

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Fulvio
Henk van Lingen wrote: > Several people on this list already asked what you mean by 'deleting > the project'. There are lots of free software projects where version > Y is a complete rewrite of version X. What's the problem with freezing > scid 4.3, let the source-tree exist, and start with 4.9 wit

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Fulvio
Steve A wrote: > There is also the filter cache feature which he worked on with Gerd. > It has bugs, has had bugs for a long time, and Gerd has now abandoned > Scid development (he told me). I also don't like an aspect of it's > design, so i propose not to adopt this feature. > If you mean the c

[Scid-users] scid vs scid

2013-03-15 Thread Alan Whiteman
So now we areback to square one. Steveand Fulvio are scid admins but no merge will be performed.Because this squabblehas failed to resolve what should have been an important milestone for the project, I think, for the most part, scid will continue to lagway behind scidvspc in terms of usability

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Ben St-Pierre
Sorry for the typos. Cordonnier mal chaussé... Perhaps I should clarify this: > I believe that's where we should discuss. What I mean is that the discussion is now turning into the **agreement** and **commitment** phase. We need to have an summary statement of what's happening and what's coming

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Kevin Taylor
I would like to contribute to the development of SCID. I have been an avid user for years and am an experienced developer. Can we all come together to move SCID from being an autocracy (this is its history) to being a community effort? As SCID fans, we will all be better off and a strong community

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Ben St-Pierre
> I think this thread is evidence that there is a strong desire from the user > base to revive the development of scid, and that there are people who are > interested to help out. Count me among those. I guess it is also > uncontroversial that having a larger development community can only benef

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Steve A
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Mario Lacunza wrote: > El 14/03/13 11:13, Alan Whiteman escribió: >> The only person not too happy about this is Fulvio. This is >> understandable since years of his own efforts are being set aside. Of >> course, his contributions will still live in the dev branche

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Aljoscha Lautenbach
Hi, I think this thread is evidence that there is a strong desire from the user base to revive the development of scid, and that there are people who are interested to help out. Count me among those. I guess it is also uncontroversial that having a larger development community can only benefit the

Re: [Scid-users] Scid bugs

2013-03-15 Thread Aljoscha Lautenbach
Hi, On 13 March 2013 15:42, Fulvio wrote: > I'm sorry that you are experiencing so many crashes. Since many people seem to have misunderstood me, let me clarify: I don't have random crashes, but there is a specific bug that leads to a segfault in my version of scid. If you do an "Open recent bas

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread News
Alan, I agree with you and therefore took my retirement. Alan Whiteman wrote: >On 03/14/2013 09:18 AM, Mario Lacunza wrote: >> El 14/03/13 11:13, Alan Whiteman escribió: >>> The only person not too happy about this is Fulvio. This is >>> understandable since years of his own efforts are being se

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Detlef Steuer
> > However, it's seems that i'm not able to explain myselft: i'm not > challenging your interface design. If someone would have proposed the > other way around, delete scidvspc code and replace it with scid code, i > would have been equally upset. > Many people today use free software, like Li

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Steve A
Alex wrote: > Just if someone would be so kind to remove me from the projects members list, > sf does not allow me to do this myself. See you Alex. Thanks for your input. Steve -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we.

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Henk van Lingen
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:01:34AM +0100, Fulvio wrote: > - if the merge is technically too complicated, having both live > separated is good. > - deleting a free project without reason is bad. Hi Fulvio, Having various almost the same projects (scid, scidvspc, scidb, ...) is bad. Users don't u

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Fulvio
Steve A wrote: > Fulvio - you are a great technical coder - the best here, and Scid > would still be a slow clunker without you - but your project is filled > with bugs, and you don't have a good a clue about making a good interface :) > As is obvious from most everyones response here except yours,

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Joao Rita (Food Supply Chain & Logistics Planning)
My Mrs. will probably kill me but, I see this as a good cause for the greater good. I'm volunteering my project management skills to the project if the leaders would have me. I already manage IT projects as a day job so... Best Regards, J -Original Message- From: till plewe [mailto:ti

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread till plewe
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Joao Rita (Food Supply Chain & Logistics Planning) wrote: > Good Morning All, > > I'd like to contribute if I may. Thus far from what I've seen on the various > threads everyone is in favour of the merge (yes there are some "challenges", > but overall). > > What

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Joao Rita (Food Supply Chain & Logistics Planning)
Good Morning All, I'd like to contribute if I may. Thus far from what I've seen on the various threads everyone is in favour of the merge (yes there are some "challenges", but overall). What I sense is a lacking in actual project management. (btw I might be wrong here, this is just my general

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Steve A
Fulvio wrote > If you want to merge the two projects the only plan is to take one feature > at the time, check the diffs and write patches for the current scid code. Thanks for the olive branch Fulvio. I realise it must be hard to face having some of your privilidges/code removed. But as the only

Re: [Scid-users] Project merge

2013-03-15 Thread Gregor Cramer
I welcome the idea to merge the projects. Scid vs. PC is the bug-fixed and user-friendly version in the spirit of Shane Hudson (the initial creator of Scid). Re-implementing the docked mode is a good idea - I think that merging Scid's code for the docked mode into the code of Scid vs. PC is hard