Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines

2007-10-27 Thread Patrick Burns
Many of these points are discussed in http://www.burns-stat.com/pages/Tutor/R_relative_statpack.pdf a collaborative effort that I edited. In particular the final quote by Jonathan Baron addresses point 5: Another point, which I repeatedly make to students, is that R is free and will continue to

Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines

2007-10-26 Thread Douglas Bates
On 10/26/07, Frank Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > BTW: Contrary to some ideas both R & SPSS can be programmed and the > algorithms for both have been published. So, no matter whether open > source or private property you know what you do (if you want). This is off the point of Matt's ori

Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines

2007-10-26 Thread Bert Gunter
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Thomas Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:54 AM To: r-help@r-project.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines Some major differences between R and SPSS: 1/ The learning curve of R is steep

Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines

2007-10-26 Thread Frank Thomas
Some major differences between R and SPSS: 1/ The learning curve of R is steep and the one of SPSS is largely flat. A difference any student will rapidly understand. 2/ The user interface in R is underdeveloped, in comparison to SPSS. 3/ In R without loving to spend time in programming you get not

Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines

2007-10-03 Thread Rolf Turner
On 3/10/2007, at 8:30 PM, Patrick Burns wrote: > I don't think it is so much that the R routines > work faster/more efficiently/more accurately > but that the user works faster/more efficiently/ > more accurately. Well said, O Wise and Ancient One!!! :-) :-) :-)

Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines

2007-10-03 Thread Bert Gunter
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Patrick Burns wrote: > I don't think it is so much that the R routines > work faster/more efficiently/more accurately > but that the user works faster/more efficiently/ > more accurately. Might this be a fortunes candidate? (Perhaps a larger excerpt) Bert Gunter Genentech

Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines

2007-10-03 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Patrick Burns wrote: > I don't think it is so much that the R routines > work faster/more efficiently/more accurately > but that the user works faster/more efficiently/ > more accurately. And in particular a user can do many informative/insightful/penetrating statistical/grap

Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines

2007-10-03 Thread Patrick Burns
I don't think it is so much that the R routines work faster/more efficiently/more accurately but that the user works faster/more efficiently/ more accurately. Patrick Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 (0)20 8525 0696 http://www.burns-stat.com (home of S Poetry and "A Guide for the Unwilling S User") M

Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines

2007-10-03 Thread Stefan Grosse
On Tuesday 02 October 2007 22:54:48 Matthew Dubins wrote: MD > in what respects do R routines work faster/more efficiently/more MD > accurately than those of MATLAB/SPSS. There has been a benchmark: http://www.sciviews.org/benchmark/index.html but thats quite old old, it would be interesting to s

Re: [R] R routines vs. MATLAB/SPSS Routines

2007-10-02 Thread Katharine Mullen
I would stress the advantages of the free and open source nature of R over the proprietary programs you mention. Because R is free (as in beer), your student will have access to it even when they are free of the university that I presume buys a MATLAB/SPSS license for them. And because R is open so