Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-19 Thread David Costantini
am.it -Original Message- From: peter dalgaard [mailto:pda...@gmail.com] Sent: Sat 19/05/2012 9.22 To: David Costantini Cc: Helios de Rosario; r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor On May 18, 2012, at 16:15 , David Costantini

Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-19 Thread peter dalgaard
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Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-18 Thread David Costantini
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Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-18 Thread Helios de Rosario
Hi, after re-reading I think that I misunderstood your question. You don't provide many details, but I suppose that the "brood" effect is nested within the fixed effects, so you don't mean a multivariate approach for a split-plot or a repeated-measures design, but the analysis of a multivariate mix

Re: [R] MANOVA with random factor

2012-05-18 Thread Helios de Rosario
I suppose you mean this: http://www.r-project.org/doc/Rnews/Rnews_2007-2.pdf Another approach, less general but in my opinion easier to use (and equivalent in many situations), is provided by Anova() in package car. See: http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Books/Companion/appendix/Appendix-Multivariat